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forre
30-01-2004, 00:18
The reality-show t.A.T.u. in Podnebesnaya started on the television channel STS on January, 17. The organizers of the show promised, that it won’t be boring: unrevealed details, distinguished guests, communication with the fans, the process of the material selection and the new album recording - all this was planned to happen in front of the TV - audience. Nevertheless, the t.A.T.u.-girls haven’t managed yet to start the recording of the disk, since there’s not enough material. As for meeting the celebrities, the girls are simply not enough organized. For example, when Joseph Kobzon was about to visit “the inhabitants” of Podnebesnaya, Yulia and Lena weren’t simply there. The idea to socialise with their producer Ivan Shapovalov instead didn’t appeal to him.

Recording of the album isn’t going that smoothly either: Yulia and Lena admitted that they are not ready to begin the recording yet. To rescue the situation, the girls had to record “Zashishatsya Ochkami” , which is the song of the singer of group 7B Ivan Demyan. “Everything that we have is very raw yet. To bring the material to the right condition, we need more time. It’s possible that even the airing time won’t be enough. We hoped to find talented poets and composers, that could make some money on their material but we could choose only a few suggestions out of a thousand. They weren’t super either. We’ll continue looking for”, said t.A.T.u.

“The leading of STS and Ivan Shapovalov failed to reach any consensus when it comes to the way the show should look like”, writes Tsvetnoy Televisor magazine. “No, they didn’t reach it at the end. Apparently, the concept of the project is an absence of the mutual opinion. Anyway, the TV-audience is still left a chance to follow all an attempt to record an album. That’s right, “an attemp”, because I’m not sure that the album will happen at the end. Shapovalov has announced that the album will be ready on March, 14. Thus, the group has 52 days to complete it. If there’s enough material, this period is enough, but only if it will be worked on every day”, told Vitaly Mansky, a documentary director, who has been working with t.A.T.u. for several years now.

Mansky also says that he’ll be participating in the show only if everything in it will be sincere: “When Shapovalov got this idea of the reality-show t.A.T.u. in Podnebesnaya, he didn’t seem to realise that it would be that hard. Nevertheless, he still assures that there won’t be any tricks made for the show, only the truth of the life. So we’ll see. Otherwise I’ll leave the project”.

Source: Dni.ru
Translation: Tatysite.net Team

QueenBee
30-01-2004, 00:27
we need more time
Do they even realise how stupid that sounds? Maybe instead of causing boring "scandals" which we are all so used to by now, they could have started working on the album. They had plenty of time then... I am not impressed! :mad:

Thanks for bringing us this info Forre and rest of Tatysite.net Team :rose:

haku
30-01-2004, 00:33
Thanks for the translation forre. :rose:

The idea to socialise with their producer Ivan Shapovalov instead didn’t appeal to him.
LOL, no kidding... :rolleyes:

Yeah, the show seems *so* disorganized, that's incredible. The pics we have of the "crew" tells volume about how things are handled behind the scene LOL. It all seems very amateurish. And Yulia and Lena are rarely there.
Hell, they don't even seem to have a proper heating system! People are always wearing jackets in there, and Yulia has to keep her fur coat *inside* LOL.
Those are not good conditions to work correctly.

Lux
30-01-2004, 00:47
the idea of the show is vague to begin with ... two girls recording their album but yet it's supposed to be "real" tv? what kind of drama did they have in mind :rolleyes:

convol
30-01-2004, 00:53
Originally posted by forre
Nevertheless, the t.A.T.u.-girls haven’t managed yet to start the recording of the disk, since there’s not enough material.

Thank you very much forre for the translation! :rose:

I think it's really strange that it's said that they don't have enough material. There are PD (if we can count that), NVNB and Nichya to begin with. Mars Lasar said on his official web site that he's composed songs for Tatu's upcoming album. There's the new song from Ivan Demyan, and "Strange Dances", IMO a great song to make a cover of. There are also of course a lot of songs sent by people, at least 1-2 good ones should be possible to find (unless they plan to release two albums, but that sounds too optimistic). Estonian duo De Luxe seem to be handling a lot of the studio work, and there was talk about Tatu recording with musicians from I.F.K. (who also were musicians on Tatu's latest concerts).

In one of the latest Izvestia articles it was stated that Tatu recorded a song during the night; and on the newest pictures we can see screens showing Lena recording, and Ivan & Yulia watching her.

xena225
30-01-2004, 01:05
Originally posted by convol
I think it's really strange that it's said that they don't have enough material.

Thanks, convol for making these great points! According to some sources they started recording in December, they even could be seen singing on TV already, and as you say there seems to be enough material (you forgot to mention "Poesiya" which may be included as well). I wonder if dni.ru talked to them themselves, or if it's just hearsay.

Originally posted by convol
In one of the latest Izvestia articles it was stated that Tatu recorded a song during the night; and on the newest pictures we can see screens showing Lena recording, and Ivan & Yulia watching her.

Actually I like those Izvestia articles, they seem to be quite reliable.

Originally posted by forre
Mansky also says that he’ll be participating in the show only if everything in it will be sincere: “[...] Nevertheless, he still assures that there won’t be any tricks made for the show, only the truth of the life. So we’ll see. Otherwise I’ll leave the project”.

:lol: :lol: That's a good one coming from the man who gave us "Anatomy". :laugh:

Thanks for the translation, forre.

xena225

haku
30-01-2004, 01:09
Originally posted by convol
I think it's really strange that it's said that they don't have enough material.
Well, maybe they *do* have material, but an album has to have a "theme" and a "sound", you can't just take a dozen songs, all from different writers and composers and make an album out of it. You have to reach a balance, some kind of harmony in the whole album. That may be their problem.

Also, i remember that Tatu said that the new album would be more "hardcore", more "rock", so even the songs we know like PD, Nichya, NVNB may have to be rearranged to fit in.

And last but not least, it's Tatu! They need some kind of "shocking" theme in the album, they can't just come back with a bunch of boring and noncontroversial songs.
I'm not sure they have even decided *what* it is they are going to talk about in the next album.


Of course we have to keep in mind that this is a show. So Tatu's camp may be leaking negative informations to spice up Podnebesnaya. :P

QueenBee
30-01-2004, 01:12
Well the songs I have heard so far aren't as great as I would expect a Tatu song to be.. :none: (I mean the demos.. and why would they add Poesiya when Tatu are in it for 15 seconds? :gigi: )

spyretto
30-01-2004, 01:51
Well, I always thought that Tatu had no plan about that reality show, just the general idea. Then all the rest would miraculously come to them once the show was on :D

Are there no other talented musicians/producers in Russia to work with? Who's hired to be the producer of their album anyway? Shapovalov?

Finding songs from the fans sounds so dodgy :bum:

coolasfcuk
30-01-2004, 01:52
thanks for the translation forre!

Originally posted by QueenBee
I mean the demos.. and why would they add Poesiya when Tatu are in it for 15 seconds?
haha, exactly - it's not even their song :laugh: they were 'guests' singing a verse for a TV show.

So, tatu have been saying they are 'working' on the album FOREVER ! :laugh: they havebeen saying that some songs have already been recorded - they have been saying this months ago! C'mon...

and those songs you mention - PD, NVNP :laugh: those are OLD 'hits' .. hits in quotes because... hey werent even hits exactly. PD was released in Bulgaria... ummm... I cant even remember anymore.... whenever it came out in Russia :heh: .. people listened to it a while, and not it is FORGOTTEN! why put it on a new alum?!?!

honestly.... umm....let me quote spy:
"wake me up when the new album is released' :gigi: or something in those lines... *goes off sleeping, hoping it wont be eternal sleep* LoL

spyretto
30-01-2004, 02:11
I'll say something about Poesiya but please don't take it the hard way: I thought the original Poesiya ( without Tatu, I mean ) was better. ;)

This is not the kind of song the girls should be singing. Trying to be tough doesn't do it for them...

angeljas01
30-01-2004, 02:52
Thank you very much for the info. Forre!

MassMedia
30-01-2004, 03:09
quick question: was elena kiper a big part of Prostie Dvi. ?

forre
30-01-2004, 03:18
MassMedia, Kiper had nothing to do with PD.

bpro50
30-01-2004, 03:29
Ivan has really great ideas. What he lacks is the person who can plan, organize and implement his ideas. It really isn't that hard to see. The idea of Podnebesnaya is really creative and has tremendous potential to put Tatu in a position of being a model for other reality shows. It is very original. I hope for his own sake that he can see the need to find someone with the ability to manage this phase of the project or else this whole thing will hurt Tatu and their image. He is sitting on a gold mine of opportunity. He just needs help.

QueenBee
30-01-2004, 03:44
He just needs help.
Yeah. *Calls mental institute* :tel:

Just kidding Shap.. you know I love you. :P

spyretto
30-01-2004, 03:47
Haven't you been depressed by all the news yet? Everything's so negative. But I suppose if I looked at tatu.us forum everything would be still o-k.

irish22
30-01-2004, 03:57
thanks for the news forre. do you know if they are goign to cancell the show or not? and has anyone been capping the show so far onlt one episode is up on the ftp's.

transcend
30-01-2004, 06:13
Originally posted by spyretto
Haven't you been depressed by all the news yet? Everything's so negative. But I suppose if I looked at tatu.us forum everything would be still o-k.

Yeah, I bet they're missing you already Spy.;)

transcend
30-01-2004, 06:22
Originally posted by haku
Well, maybe they *do* have material, but an album has to have a "theme" and a "sound", you can't just take a dozen songs, all from different writers and composers and make an album out of it. You have to reach a balance, some kind of harmony in the whole album. That may be their problem.



And last but not least, it's Tatu! They need some kind of "shocking" theme in the album, they can't just come back with a bunch of boring and noncontroversial songs.
I'm not sure they have even decided *what* it is they are going to talk about in the next album.




What Tatu need right now is a concept album. What they need is their very own Marshall Mathers LP. It needs to be brave and edgy and dark, and talk about their whole experience as a media sensation. They need to literally burn those school uniforms and reinvent themselves. I agree that they need an album with a unified vision not some makeshift hodgepodge. I think there has been a definite decline in the quality of Tatu's material since 200kmph. I still think PD is substandard (although the lyrics are good), Ne Ver is just a souped up reworking of PD - the lyrics are again good, the bassline's very nice, the breathy deeper vocals are great but the chorus is just not good enough and as for Nichya, well the sentiments are nice but it's too wishy-washy and the melody's just not strong enough - bland, basically. Sorry to be cutting, but it's only because I care.

convol
30-01-2004, 13:12
and those songs you mention - PD, NVNP those are OLD 'hits' .. hits in quotes because... hey werent even hits exactly. PD was released in Bulgaria... ummm... I cant even remember anymore.... whenever it came out in Russia .. people listened to it a while, and not it is FORGOTTEN! why put it on a new alum?!?!

My point wasn't that they should include these songs on their new album; we are discussing the article, remember? I was contradicting what the article said based mainly on other sources than Tatu (such as Mars Lasar's official website, interviews from De Luxe, I.F.K. forum etc.). Whatever, the point I had in mind was: considering that there actually seems to be existing material; Tatu are (and have been for some time) working with studio technicians and musicians etc - this could rather be an indication that they (and/or Ivan) want to release an album they are content with (with everything that entails) instead of having rushed out a substandard album and tried cashing in while Tatu were still moderately mainstream popular around the world. Of course, they might not even be interested in releasing an album at all. Yulia said (which Haku mentioned) on Viva Interaktiv that she thought the album would be inbetween rock and trance, a description which fits if we consider that they are/have been working with De Luxe (trance musicians) and musicians from I.F.K.(indie/metal/rock group).

To quote a line I liked from a recent article on Tatu in gzt.ru with regards to the first episode of the reality show: "In this minichaos lies the source of Tatu's vital energy". Interesting and funny article by the way. http://www.gzt.ru/pop.gzt?rubric=pop&id=61050000000007991

If we are talking about the album, I would also like to see them go into a darker and edgier direction compared to "200 Po Vstrechnoi" - the style between trance and rock sounds great, and melodywise I'd love to see a bit of Russian/Ukrainean folk harmonies (which was prevalent in "200 Po Vstrechnoi" as well). Technically the first version of NVNB (even though I think the second version is more emotionally powerful) is very interesting/inventive, and far more progressive than average pop songs with its industrial dance textures and the digital experimental sound. I'm personally really pleased with both NVNB and Nichya.

spyretto
30-01-2004, 15:19
They need a good album and a strong single with the potential of becoming a worldwide hit. Otherwise, forget about it. The way things are going, I don't expect it to happen anytime soon.

thegurgi
30-01-2004, 17:24
Maybe they are recording like a DECOY album on the show

Make every one go, they have nothing! and then at the end they've had everything prepared...

hahaha, not even I believe that.

But i mean, artists record more songs than what they put on their albums, so maybe he just wants to record enough to have some real options for this next album.

But I agree with Convol, they should have enough material to work with.

with the potential of becoming a worldwide hit
i don't think they are concerned with a WORLDwide hit, i think they should focus on Russia.

cirrus
30-01-2004, 17:29
Sorry to say it, but I'm looking forward more to Nichya's album than Tatu's.

All we've had is sorry attempts at "scandal", stalling, buying time and wasting time, while Nichya are actually making songs. Good songs, I think.

Damn you Elena Kiper. You just might win in the end... :flag:

freddie
30-01-2004, 18:31
Originally posted by spyretto
They need a good album and a strong single with the potential of becoming a worldwide hit. Otherwise, forget about it. The way things are going, I don't expect it to happen anytime soon.

Not at all. That's only if you look at it from a commercial standpoint. They don't need to be commercialy succesful (I mean a worldwide craze like ATTSS was) in order to still be worthwhile and credible artists. I mean we're fans... we don't care if they're chart-toppers or not, do we? Great music should be enough for us.

That being said I DO find it strange that there's supposedly "not enough music". I mean besides Nich'ya, NVNBNP, PD and Mars Lazar stuff... weren't they saying that the album is about 80% finished like months ago? And would they really attempt a reality show about shooting the album without enough material for it? I mean what would be their plan then? Just make it up as they go along? In 2 months? When they practicaly had 2 years to come up with enough songs?!

Disengage
30-01-2004, 18:49
Originally posted by freddie
Not at all. That's only if you look at it from a commercial standpoint.

I'm pretty sure THEY look at it from a commercial standpoint.

freddie
30-01-2004, 19:05
Originally posted by Disengage
I'm pretty sure THEY look at it from a commercial standpoint.

Hehe.. no doubt. They do. It's a project based on money... a lot of people relly on it for their income. But still - it'd be pretty sad it that was ALL tatu was about. Wasn't it Ivan who said once that he doesn't care about the money from that point on when he has enough. But what IS enough I wonder? I mean for MJ even a billion dollars wasn't enough. :D

Still I'd like to think of tatu as a MUSICAL project as well as a finantial institution and an extension of Ivan's... ummm... private parts. :p

bpro50
30-01-2004, 19:19
Well, since Shap invented Tatu maybe he deserves the biggest percentage of the first phase of the project. From this point forward, it appears to me that the girls are ready to take over and direct the project themselves. If the next phase of the project is unsucessful, then Lena and Yulia have only themselves to blame. In current interviews, both say that there will be "huge changes" coming very soon.

spyretto
30-01-2004, 19:26
Originally posted by freddie
Not at all. That's only if you look at it from a commercial standpoint. They don't need to be commercialy succesful (I mean a worldwide craze like ATTSS was) in order to still be worthwhile and credible artists. I mean we're fans... we don't care if they're chart-toppers or not, do we? Great music should be enough for us.

That being said I DO find it strange that there's supposedly "not enough music". I mean besides Nich'ya, NVNBNP, PD and Mars Lazar stuff... weren't they saying that the album is about 80% finished like months ago? And would they really attempt a reality show about shooting the album without enough material for it? I mean what would be their plan then? Just make it up as they go along? In 2 months? When they practicaly had 2 years to come up with enough songs?!

They don't need another hit? oh yeah, you're right, they've such a huge following after that longlasting career that anything will do...and the concept album of course. :bum:
At the end their fanbase will consist in a dozen people posting on the forums. They don't need another hit...yeah right. :bum:

direct the project themselves? I take this as a joke, cause there's no other way to take it :none:

Tatu as a musical project simply doesn't exist. Unless you call what they've been doing in the last six months a musical project. They're a successful commercial project that relies too much on PR stunts to remain in the spotlight. The music was there in the first album but as things stand now the music comes last.

freddie
30-01-2004, 23:47
Originally posted by spyretto
They don't need another hit? oh yeah, you're right, they've such a huge following after that longlasting career that anything will do...and the concept album of course. :bum:
At the end their fanbase will consist in a dozen people posting on the forums. They don't need another hit...yeah right. :bum:

direct the project themselves? I take this as a joke, cause there's no other way to take it :none:

Tatu as a musical project simply doesn't exist. Unless you call what they've been doing in the last six months a musical project. They're a successful commercial project that relies too much on PR stunts to remain in the spotlight. The music was there in the first album but as things stand now the music comes last.

Nope I don't agree. They're STILL a musical project. The first album was great musicaly... so far ahead of it's western counterparts. If that can't be called a musical project then I don't know what can. And PD, NVNBNP, Nich'ya didn't disapoint me... eventhough Nich'ya won't be an international smash hit it's still not a disapointment to me. Because I like the music. Maybe it'll be a disapointment for THEM, since their initial survival depends on the financial liquidity...

Yet I'm fairly convinced that they're capable of hits still in Russia. PD proved that... after a year of virtualy nothing it became a hit. But What I'm saying is that I'd rather see something more alternative... or at least rockish, like they promised. Something that would sound solid, rather then a souless manufactured clone of YSSU/ATTSS or NND/NGGU.

xena225
31-01-2004, 08:27
Originally posted by convol
this could rather be an indication that they (and/or Ivan) want to release an album they are content with (with everything that entails) instead of having rushed out a substandard album and tried cashing in while Tatu were still moderately mainstream popular around the world.
Interesting point. And I must say I'm really curious what the new album will be like - because tATu keep surprising us with unexpected things, so at this point I don't think anyone can really predict the musical direction they are going to take, though Yulia's statement that it was going to be a mixture of rock and trance sounds very promising to me and seems to be confirmed by the collaboration with De Luxe and I.F.K. We'll see. :cool:

Originally posted by convol
I'm personally really pleased with both NVNB and Nichya.
So am I, and I also liked their collaboration with Polusa.

Originally posted by convol
"In this minichaos lies the source of Tatu's vital energy".
:p I really like that quote. At the moment so much is happening, with the reality show every weekend, new articles every day, this awesome Podnebesnaya website which gets updated with info, exclusive pictures and polls almost every day and has an interesting forum as well, there's interaction with the fanbase by way of polls and the chat and the competitions and the uploading of mp3's and so on and so forth. So much is happening. Good times! :done:

xena225

denial
07-02-2004, 00:42
Yes .. agree with you xena225 ... lots happening..

...even tho I feel a bit boring here because so little material we can get from this... just maybe if we live in Russia we would feel different.

Other than that I just wonder what the rate of viewers on Reality Show on STS - like when they move it from prime time to 11pm... why?

When I go to STS website the main http://www.ctc-tv.ru/
I was automaticly re-directed to this page with big TATU girls with picture with wings .. http://www.ctc-tv.ru/ent/main/

It just seems like the TATU RS is a big event for STS ....

and they are also going to Singapore.. with STS..

From newsletter I got yesterday from MTVasia .. they never mention much about TATU... just yesterday .. they put TATU on top of the newsletter above other artist about the award.. it just felt so sudden...


*is waiting for the full chat log from STS site..today is 7th*

btw, I saw this:

P.S. The report on the first extraordinary session of the commission on affairs ТАТУ look on February, 7 at 20:00 only on telechannel СТС

written at the bottom of this page http://www.ctc-tv.ru/ent/club/chat/TATU/ (I use translator) ..what's that mean? report on TV?