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protoman2k1
26-10-2003, 09:08
Lately it seems that the mods at the tatu thread are gone, we have people calling each other dumb@sses, Igor ur an awsome moderator, try to fix this please!!! its turning into a big old chatroom
Edit: Sorry if anyone gets mad, its just being hectic over there to much chat and we have someone calling someone else names, but sorry if anyone gets mad hopefully not:rose:

Mossopp
26-10-2003, 14:14
I don't think the forum is undermoderated. I think the problem is that it used to be overmoderated and now the rules have been relaxed somewhat so it sometimes seems like things are getting out-of-hand.
Personally, I prefer the forum as it is now. I'll admit that there's no need for name-calling but this happens very rarely. I do find it annoying when threads on the tATu board "turn into a chat room" but, again, this doesn't happen very often. And I think both these things are a small price to pay in order to avoid another rehash of all the conflict and ill-feelings that happened a while ago when several members were banned for spurious reasons.

Igor
26-10-2003, 14:22
За что боролись на то и напоролись.

Mossopp
26-10-2003, 16:48
Huh? :spy:

Kate
26-10-2003, 22:22
Igor, За что боролись на то и напоролись.

Translation: You got what you fought for.

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Complete freedom? Isn't that what you guys wanted?

crni
26-10-2003, 22:24
Complete freedom? Isn't that what you guys wanted?
freedom? yes.....but chaos? hmmm.....*shakes head*

QueenBee
26-10-2003, 22:49
I didn't even notice there was a fight going on (plus I don't even know what thread you are talking about), but I am happy with the way things are now. I feel more relaxed than before where I had to think twice before posting something out of fear of being banned.. But as Mossopp said, this doesn't happen often and I feel that this forum is 1000 times better than it used to be.

nath
27-10-2003, 00:17
I remember when the tatu's part of this forum closed...I remember I was deeply, deeply SAD....

I don't think there are new members who could be the cause of new problems , here...
We know each other, now..we know our characters, our personnalities....
So, do you think "more moderators" is the TRUE SOLUTION?... I know personnally some mods.....I know what they feel when they have to "censure", to delete parts of posts, to try to calm the things.....I know it isn't a thing they like to do....because they are as you and me....they are sentimentally attached to this site, to its members....
I know their words or even the physicall aspect , the grimace of sadness of one of them when they see that a new INUTILE PROBLEM arrives on the site and they have to "sanction"....and when they say "Oh! noooo...".....

So, DON'T YOU THINK IT'S A LITTLE EASY TO ASK TO MODS TO DO JOB THAT WE HAVE TO DO ?
May be , we all might try to take OUR OWN RESPONSABILITIES.......
1/Sometimes, we could be tired and write things knowing that could create bad consequences....so when we realise that, why not try to repare our mistakes...and give apologies if we know , deep inside, we have to do them....?
2/Others people like the free provocation.....to those, I'll say: if you like this site...just remember what happened in July.....if you like this site ...just try to think to the CONSEQUENCES of your posts...the consequences , not for "your own EGO"..but the consequences for TATYSITE..

3/If people feel they are victims of injustice, or slandering...why enter in this stupid game?...why answer to the procovation on the site?...why not to try to be more intelligent than those who makes freely provocation?...

I mean , in this case, why not to try to find a solution with PM to the person who "agressed" you?...or to try to send a PM to the mods, explaining the situation...?

I love this site ...I don't want it closes again for stupid causes or personal quarrels.

It is not always the one which says the last word which is right inevitably... sometimes, when one answers to the provocation only by silence and ignorance, that proves perhaps just which one is more mature than the other...

So..there are ,on Tatysite, really GREAT and KIND PEOPLE...I would like to have the pleasure to read their posts for A LONG , LONG TIME AGAIN....
I know the majority of people is intelligent people , here.... I trust in you....because I don't want that TATYSITE DEADS....
So please, think to the consequences of your acts and words and posts BEFORE.....NOT AFTER, when it wll be TOO LATE....
and remember that when you hurt someone, there are always scars which remain.

We do not need sorrow or pain,here, we have just need to be happy together..to be happy to meet each other, when we connect on Tatysite....Let's be intelligent for US....

taty994945
27-10-2003, 00:31
I am very happy with the state of the forum atm.

spyretto
27-10-2003, 00:50
yeah, I noticed too...it seems the mods got bored of having to moderate the forum. They weren't the most ardent fans of Tatu anyway...

ok, lets start a tremendous row to bring them back!

just kidding...I think that the state of the forum is quite civilised still

haku
27-10-2003, 04:31
I think the forum is moderated just fine. I'm happy as it is now. :)

And we have coolasfcuk to beep the bad words. Heee heee :gigi:

coolasfcuk
27-10-2003, 04:58
And we have coolasfcuk to beep the bad words. Heee heee
would you prefere me to leave them there?
Read sunwalk's post .. thanks for posting that nath ..all of it.

there will always be unhappy people... if it's strictly moderated.... it is bad... if it not so strict... it is bad again :dknow: why not....read sunwalks's post (yes again) and think about it....

haku
27-10-2003, 05:34
coolasfcuk

I was not implying that you shouldn't do it. Like i said, i think the forum is moderated just fine right now. I have no complaints. I was joking about the bad words because words are just words to me, i never feel insulted by words.

[edited because it was a misunderstanding :) ]

coolasfcuk
27-10-2003, 05:47
haku, no no... I wasnt saying it in a bad way... it was more like a joke to your joke.... words are just words to me too, but in a public place which has rules.... there has to be some order, so the place is 'good' for all people :)

to sum whats already been said very nicely: this is a public place... and everybody has a responsibility to follow the rules... mods out of their own free will agreed to do some of the 'dirty' work, but people should realize that we are all one big group of people here, and everybody is responsible for the forum's well being :done:

xena225
27-10-2003, 09:03
Originally posted by coolasfcuk
people should realize that we are all one big group of people here, and everybody is responsible for the forum's well being

Very well said, I agree completely. :yes:

I like the way the forum is right now - just the right amount of "modding" (in my opinion). :done:

xena225

goku
28-10-2003, 01:28
Hehe.. Our modding is subtle but effective.

I agree that there will always be unhappy people. We edit too much, or we edit too little, sometimes both at the same time! But from the sounds of a few of you it seems we are on track. Any input helps though. Help us help you. :)

teeny
28-10-2003, 19:31
But from the sounds of a few of you it seems we are on track.
Yep.. as far as I am concerned the moderating job is nearly perfect at the time :rose:
I can't put my finger at anything that could be done in another way at the moment. At least at what I've seen. I'm happy as it is right now:D

Lena410
28-10-2003, 19:58
I'm happy with how the forum is right now. It's not under nor over moderated at the moment. Great job guys. *smile*

goku
30-10-2003, 00:02
Glad to hear it. :)

Still, it would be perfect if Kate (old admin) were still here... She comes every now and then. I guess I still haven't gotten over it, haha..

xena225
15-11-2003, 01:05
I'm actually pretty pissed right now at how three mods weren't able to keep the thread "t.A.T.u. Official Photo Book" on topic and furthermore avoid the attacks and trolling going on there for hours.

It took Echoed 5 minutes when she finally arrived to sort this mess out.

Thank god for Echoed.

xena225

teeny
15-11-2003, 01:13
Agreed.. thank you for closing down the thread, echoed.
I tried remaining on-topic, but I failed. I guess enough was enough, and I couldn't remain silent. Hopefully I'll be better at ignoring remarks in the future.. at least I'll work at it.

Lux
15-11-2003, 01:20
i think mods here do a good job overall, but when unexpected circumstances appear, they are slow to extinguish the flames. when one individual or any group of individuals start going off topic and provoking others to bashing each other, it destroys the thread. this sort of thing should not be tolerated and when it starts happening i think mods should be quick to the rescue.

after all, i love this place. it would be sad to see it go to hell on the whims of people eager to get into the mode of criticizing everything someone else says just for their own amusement. not to mention, the "statement of one's opinion" i feel is stretched as far as possible. there's a difference between stating one's opinion and doing so purely to provoke someone else into disagreement, if not anger.

i realize that certain issues are touchy, but in the recent threads healthy debates are not executed. i believe people are arguing for the sake of getting a rise out of others. when people start aiming "opinions" [stated to be about tatu but really having almost nothing to do with them] at each other then things will go to hell. at least, if it continues. mod[s] to the rescue.



-Lux

Kate
15-11-2003, 01:45
I am sorry for commenting on negative remarks aimed at me. I tried not to start the fight, but I had no defend myself, I guess.

I had a good time, anyway. It's nice to spice things up from time to time. But, good things come in small packages, so the thread was closed. :p

freddie
15-11-2003, 02:05
I think that the end off every good discusion soon follows when people are starting to state their opinions as facts. Things like "this new song sucks", "all tatu music is crap"...I mean that kind of discusion is for kindergarden. This is a DISCUSION forum. And when people will start to state offtopic non-sense then of course there will be others trying to dismiss it and voila! we have an offtopic discusion with "facts" flying around everywhere. The sad part it that some people that should enforce discipline areound this place are adding additional fuel to the fire in the good old tradition of tatysite.net. Lets not treat eachother that way. The only way to prevent this is not by blaming the mods, specific members or whoever. We all have to change our ways and stop with the sarcasm and nonsense discusions about wheater or not Tatu girls are talented or not and wheater their music is any good or not. Maybe this isn't an actual "fan" forum, but it is a forum about the group tatu. There are bound to be fans of the group in majority here. And to say that tatu music sucks (in a topic that's not even meant for that) without any explanation whatsoever is just rude.

spyretto
15-11-2003, 02:37
I'm actually pretty pissed right now at how three mods weren't able to keep the thread "t.A.T.u. Official Photo Book" on topic and furthermore avoid the attacks and trolling going on there for hours.

Hmm, now you're criticising the fact that the thread wasn't closed straight away? What do we want? do we want freedom of expression of freedom of moderation?

The thread went a bit off-topic, true, but it was pretty funny to read. Closure came in the right time also. ( before becoming too ugly )

As far as I'm concerned, the moderation was flawless and the thread great. It was so boring lately.

:coctail: That's to more firey discussions for the future.

haku
15-11-2003, 02:57
I think what's happening on this forum is pretty clear.

This forum used to be over moderated. Then some "events" happened, we all know them. The forum was closed, then reopened with almost no moderation.

Obviously, some people in charge here thought that with no moderation this forum would crumble into chaos. That didn't happen. Members were enjoying themselves, discussing and having fun in good spirit. (Of course, some might call that boring.)

That was not the way it was supposed to go.

Then, a few weeks ago, a well known member of this forum, friend of the people in charge, reappeared under a new name and started to make inflammatory remarks all over the forum.

Can you say "agent provocateur"?

Of course, most people here being fans, they can't resist the urge to reply and defend Tatu. Chaos incurs, and we can see the people in charge cheering and saying it's great to see the forum "alive" again.

Now they have us exactly where they wanted us, begging for more moderation.

The best way to go for the fans would probably be to ignore that agent provocateur. I know it's not easy, i was unable to do it myself tonight.

coolasfcuk
15-11-2003, 03:19
Originally posted by haku
I think what's happening on this forum is pretty clear.
I think it is not - so please, let me try to clear things up a little...

Obviously, some people in charge here thought that with no moderation this forum would crumble into chaos. That didn't happen. Members were enjoying themselves, discussing and having fun in good spirit. (Of course, some might call that boring.)
now the first part - there is no one, absolutelly no one from the mods that thought/wanted the forum to crumble .... people even went 'out of their way' so that the forum stayed.
second - since it is pretty obvious this is aimed in a way at me - do you see me on the forum :confused: posting every day?? Do I look bored?? wow ... let me state it loud and clear - i love this place.

Then, a few weeks ago, a well known member of this forum, friend of the people in charge, reappeared under a new name and started to make inflammatory remarks all over the forum.
not that it is really any of your business who is friends with who... but just because... I will let you know about myself - I dont know 'that person' you're talking about at all.

Of course, most people here being fans, they can't resist the urge to reply and defend Tatu. Chaos incurs, and we can see the people in charge cheering and saying it's great to see the forum "alive" again.
I will comment again, since this is also aimed at my post ... first of all - it was posted in the 'middle' of the thread - 2-3 pages before the end.... also - obviouslly misunderstood - I was happy people were discussing again, because really - even with the concerts comming and all that - thread would get like a page maybe 2 max of comments... and with yesterday's new song thread and today's 'naked' news all over the place - everybody seemed to be 'out' again and posting (regardless of how and what) ... so , yes, it felt 'alive'.

Now they have us exactly where they wanted us, begging for more moderation.
actually, no, personally me - I'd rather you not begging me for more moderation ... I'd rather people look at themselves first before they start 'stabing' the 'easy' targets first .. yeah, crusify me now - to quote someone from some t.A.T.u. thread - "it is easy to bash, isn't it"

taty994945
15-11-2003, 03:28
gotta admit, this whole debacle is pretty funny :p

xena225
15-11-2003, 03:34
That was an interesting post, haku, and the more I think about it the more I agree.

Originally posted by haku
Then, a few weeks ago, a well known member of this forum, friend of the people in charge, reappeared under a new name and started to make inflammatory remarks all over the forum.
Can you say "agent provocateur"?
It's really sad that people always allow themselves to be baited, but I guess being a fan you can only take so much. I try to ignore such posts, and I'm always sad to see people taking the bait and discussions deteriorating into off-topic screaming matches.

Originally posted by haku
Now they have us exactly where they wanted us, begging for more moderation.
I do not want more moderation. I want moderation where it's needed. Look at Echoed. She came, she saw, and everything was under control within minutes. It is possible to avoid a debacle like that.

Originally posted by haku
The best way to go for the fans would probably be to ignore that agent provocateur. I know it's not easy, i was unable to do it myself tonight.
Yes, we could try and remind people to keep a cool head. And keep the cool head ourselves. :)

Moderators, please: This is just hypothetical, but should you feel the need to "spice things up", to make the forum "alive" (which was definitely not needed tonight), please keep in mind that this can backfire, as it did tonight. The peace was disrupted, and the debate got ugly and out of hand. The thread was closed. Please try and keep the peace here, so we can have controversial, yet civilized debates.

Thank you.

xena225

haku
15-11-2003, 03:46
coolasfcuk, actually this was not directed at you. We all know who the friend is, and it's not you, i knew that when i made my post.

I never saw the post you mentioned, i stopped reading that thread after my last post in it. I was thinking about other posts before mine from you, yes, but other people aswell, and in other threads too! Unfortunately, it's not the first one to be brought down by that agent provocateur.

Right now, that agent provocateur is continuing to "spice things up" in another thread. You're not in it. I'm not in it. The show goes on anyway.

To support my point:
Originally posted by Fidget
But the only people who want to see Julia's boobs are Tatu fans! Trust me, they are not a pretty sight. There are far more sexier boobs out there that Julia's two small flat pan-cakes..

If you are a boy, and think Julia's boobs are pretty, you might as well not respond to this post. This is not a thread for boob discussion. I'm an exception. Why? Because I made this forum happen.

Originally posted by Fidget
I find your remarks offensive. I stated my opinion that Julia's breasts are ugly. Ok?

And I am not "supposedly" streight. I am streight!! If I am going to recieve another comment like that, I'll turn to Igor. Do I go around stating that you are supposedly "lesbian"?

I just f*cking stated my opinion, and you made such a big deal out of it! For f*cks sake, woman! Pull yourself together!

Originally posted by Fidget
I don't have a problem with people being GAY! OK? (Hey, that rhymes).

I don't want to be one of them, though, cuz an idea of two women having sex sickens me.

Originally posted by Fidget
man+woman is natural. Woman and woman is not. So... i am traditional person. I have no problems with lesbians... it's hard to explain why I find them offensive though...

Originally posted by Fidget
Thank everyone who participated in this fantastic arguement. Dunno 'bout you, but I had fun.

Thank you.

*curtain closes*

*END CREDITS*

That sure was a fun and lively friday night on tatysite. :none:

Echoed
15-11-2003, 06:51
As spyretto mentioned, that thread was probably closed when it should have been. I was simply around at that point.

We moderators do what we can, and it's often debatable on what we should or should not do. However, all I ask is a bit of maturity from everyone. Gosh, darn it. :P

~Echo.

Kate
15-11-2003, 09:09
Before you guys tell on me, take at least one hard look at yourselves. Look beyooooong the words you said to me. :) You do that with Tatu lyrics and photos, do it for the well being of this forum. Ok?

forre
15-11-2003, 11:05
Echoed, Nothing has happened. There was absolutely no reason to panic. That's all. People have to get some playground from time to time. Undermoderation, overmoderation! He-he .. go and try to find your own "golden middle".

Kate
15-11-2003, 11:07
forre, agreed. Like I said, you can't possibly please everyone. Especially when you start to take sides, it get ugly... :bum:

We are all only human. We should treat each other with respect first, to recieve respect. :heh: A rule I try to follow most of the time. (I fail constantly)

teeny
15-11-2003, 11:26
Echoed, Nothing has happened. There was absolutely no reason to panic. That's all. People have to get some playground from time to time.
I agree when one states opinions only. But the discussion itself could have taken place in another thread. No need to mention opinions about lyrics in a Photobook thread, when there's another thread about "Nichya" already opened. And no need go to the level we reached yesterday.

xena225
15-11-2003, 12:52
Originally posted by forre
Echoed, Nothing has happened.
Kinda sad that a moderator sees it this way. I am not surprised then that these threads went downhill, with moderators watching from the sidelines with folded hands. Playground? We are no children, and you are not our supervisor. You are here to moderate, to keep the peace. To serve the forum, as it were, to quote Echoed.

Originally posted by TLFdk
And no need go to the level we reached yesterday.
Absolutely no need at all. Too bad there seems to be only one moderator on the English forum who realizes that.

xena225

nath
15-11-2003, 13:13
Cool...I like you very much: you'e a Great Mod ! Kiss

forre
15-11-2003, 13:31
Originally posted by xena225
Kinda sad that a moderator sees it this way. I am not surprised then that these threads went downhill, with moderators watching from the sidelines with folded hands. Playground? We are no children, and you are not our supervisor. You are here to moderate, to keep the peace. To serve the forum, as it were, to quote Echoed.


People die every fourth minitute in the world - that is sad, for sure. Some discussions those got wild without calling names but stating the opinions only are fine. This is your freedom of speech. Take it or leave it.

Of course I'm not a supervisor thus no actions from my side. Or do we want some?

nath
15-11-2003, 14:00
Just one question Xena225.....What REALLY did hurt you in this thread?..
...The fact that people didn't respect the rules in staying on topic? - They spoke about lyrics in a thread about future pics that nobody saw....
...or the fact that some people could not believe that Lena & Yulia are living a wonderfull and romantic love story and that they sing just to claim their incredible love for each other?..
....I was just asking the question to myself....

teeny
15-11-2003, 14:14
What REALLY did hurt you in this thread?..
That the forum rules don't seem to apply to everyone at the forum. I understand that some people feels that the rules don't apply to them at all. The statements (at least some of them) could have been placed in another thread and it would be more fitting.
Do we like the fact that a discussion was started in the picture thread, just because there couldn't be much said about the pictures so far? No.. it's still a problem.

nath
15-11-2003, 14:29
So TLFdk if the same discussion had taken place at the good thread, there would have been no problem? ...;) okay ...

haku
15-11-2003, 14:34
Originally posted by sunwalk
What REALLY did hurt you in this thread?..

I was hurt by the following quotes:
Originally posted by Fidget

an idea of two women having sex sickens me

man+woman is natural. Woman and woman is not

That is a discrimination based on sexual preferences. Bad .. bad .. very bad! Kate is warned. Thanks for reminding.

teeny
15-11-2003, 15:05
Originally posted by sunwalk
So TLFdk if the same discussion had taken place at the good thread, there would have been no problem? ...;) okay ...
Well I'm just talking about the comments about the songs in generel. The example haku provided I didn't read myself. Those comments I would mind very much, and I'm glad I didn't read them last night, since I would have responded even more than I did so far.
Thank you for making me clear up my comment, sunwalk

nath
15-11-2003, 15:07
I absolutely agree Haku ...i haven't seen this thread yesterday...just the thread about the Book....

...my post, indeed, was just written with the aim to say :just Be honest, it wasn't because there were some off-topic you were such angry..it's because you didn't like what you read...(i spoke just about the thread about the book)
.

xena225
15-11-2003, 15:08
sunwalk, I was there last night. There was trolling in abundance, there were personal attacks, discriminatory remarks and constant off-topicness on two threads. One member in particular kept riling people up, and unfortunately she succeeded.

I know this is just an insignificant little forum in the wide wide world, with no real significance other than bringing people together to have fun, and the occasional controversial, and yet hopefully civilized debate. In the big scheme of things - it's nothing. But I don't want to see a perfectly nice and civilized place go to hell, because one or two people use it as their battleground.

I dared to say so. I tried to stop it. And now, get this, I get a warning for "provoking a scandal on purpose". The absurdness is mind-boggling.

xena225

forre
15-11-2003, 15:13
xena225, of course a warning. How otherwise? All involved got warnings. Told you, it depends on how you place your comment. There are different ways. It's your choice to notice it or to shuffle it off. No reason for any extremism or anger.

So, everyone is calm and reasonable.

Hugs :rose:

teeny
15-11-2003, 15:18
sunwalk, I didn't like what I read. But she has a right to state that the songs are crap. But keeping the discussion civilised would be very much appreciated. And to be a good example to others and say it in the right thread would be even better.
And I'm still just talking about the photo thread. Don't even know which one the other is.

And if one doesn't like the pictures one should just avoid opening them at all.. or at least respect that others might think they aren't bad.

Thank you for giving out warnings, forre.. :rose: I'm not sure if all is deserved or not, but I trust that they are fair
(edit: or at least I hope them to be)

nath
15-11-2003, 15:24
Thanks for your answer Xena225.

Echoed
15-11-2003, 15:25
forre, I wasn't panicking. I was exasperated. :P Anywho, the situation had deserved some attention, I gave it.

All warnings given out were done for a reason. Perhaps some may have been unfair, but the message is still there. (That was SO not supposed to rhyme.) Calm the Heck down y'all. :P

~Echo.

denial
15-11-2003, 15:28
Hmm .. I was there this morning . Yulia Topless was really hot! I went to check again just now ... its now so peaceful and nice place .. like a garden or something ..everyone said nice thing :lol:

Rob
15-11-2003, 21:05
Originally posted by forre
xena225, of course a warning. How otherwise? All involved got warnings. Told you, it depends on how you place your comment. There are different ways. It's your choice to notice it or to shuffle it off. No reason for any extremism or anger.

So, everyone is calm and reasonable.

Hugs :rose:
forre,

This thread just comes handy: Would you mind telling me what made me get a warning - in my post in "that" thread where I was asking you this question, you wrote in my post You had "forgotten to place the warning" and that this was "my lucky day" - now I still don't get what point in my posts you did object to.
?

Honestly spoken there was no moderation at all yestarday night, almost 6 pages long until it was closed for which I am thankful as this was the only way to stop the madness going on in there.
There was off-topic all the way started from one user, Fidget, and no one cared about it...?

Next point you can hardly expect user here to stay calm when such hatred (and off-topic) comments are being posted.
With all due respect there was need to step in on page 3, not to speak from the following pages.

I'm aware that everything is handled differently on boards but what happened tonight, and I was part of it as sadly I couldn't hold back myself - but next time I'll try, was way beyond everything I have seen for a long time on a tATu-board.

There are enough moderators on this board and they were present at that time but no one stepped in.

forre
15-11-2003, 22:26
Rob, done. In the PM, please.

Rob
15-11-2003, 22:36
@forre

First of all: Thanks for your answer.
On the issue: I understand what you mean - I'll keep that in mind.

QueenBee
15-11-2003, 23:08
Well can I please state my opinion? :D About the off-topicness.. I think it's natural. People go off-topic all the time, in real life too.. One thing leads to another.. But when it gets really really bad, I think that's when it should stop, and it did!

I don't think that thread turned into something really really awful... Some of the comments haku showed deserved a warning, and the user who made them got the warning. But otherwise I think it was just pure discussion.

I know that the picture of Yulia halfnaked should have been discussed in another thread, but the particular thread about the photobook was about photos.. So people started speculating around what photos could be in there, and we got into the whole nude-thing. And then it was natural for people to state their opinions. I really don't see what's so wrong about it.

I don't think there is anything wrong with saying "I don't think Yulia looks good in that picture" for example. I know this particular message was said in different more rude ways but it's still the same. Maybe this person didn't like it because she was half-naked. Now people started bashing this person and somehow it's "okay" because "Yulia is beautiful"?! If somebody doesn't like nudity, especially now that this was all for money and because sex sells, it's fine don't you think? Apparently not, because alot of people told this user to "look past that" and "realise how beautiful she is and the meaning of this whole picture". Maybe this user didn't find any meaning.. doesn't make one a "prude"...

When somebody says Tatu do not look good in a picture it's all "WHAT?! You're nuts!!! How can you say this? They are very beautiful and I can feel the true love blah blah!" but apparently if Tatu bash somebody, for example Kylie Minogue and call her a b*tch they are cool... If I would trash Kylie everyone would applause but when somebody says something about Tatu it is bad.. Isn't this a Tatu discussion board? We can discuss both good and bad things!

And please everyone don't take this post personally because I am just digging up words and statements out of my head so I have no idea who said what! And this is directed to everyone even myself :D Yeah.

la aurora
16-11-2003, 03:24
whuh... it's quite interesting queenie that U mentioned Kylie :gigi: I remember the time her fans got the idea that Yulia really called her an old b*tch (she never did. it was just an 'old woman'). And they began dissing TATU on their forum (Don't we do here constantly? I mean, don't we diss EVERYONE who had ill-luck to mention TATU not in the 100% positive way?). Someone cried: "War!" and most of the fans ran to Kylie's forum to defend their beloved girls *read attack Kylie* Soon the thread was full with TATU's pics and 'nice' comments from the both sides. Would U call it 'ugly'? Well, from some point of view it was... but at the same moment tatu's fans were trying to give arguments. Kylies fans just wanted them to get away and give them an opportunity to diss anyone they hate and write odds for their beauty. It was their right... their territory. I didn't like the solution Kylie's mods found (They just deleted everything and pretended nothing happened). IMO it just showed their own weakness. But it doesn't really matter now. It was THEIR territory (the forum devoted to such a nice in all ways girl as Kylie is).
This is OUR territory. And at times it seems tatu-fans just NEED a conflict (well, isn't 'conflict' a key word for TATU themselves?). I'm sure, if we were suddenly attacked by someone from the 'outside', we would be a team... watching each other's backs. But we are alone here. It's only we to decide what this forum should look like. We need freedome (don't we?). But at the same time no one wants to be hurt. It's only U who can defend ur own feelings, guys. Mods can't solve all the problems. Mods can't turn this place to the everyone's paradise. To be 100% happy U need to have all ppl around U sharing ur ideas and point of view. Not possible, I'm afraid. How many members we have here? About 1750? Then we need 1750 forums to keep everyone happy. Of course now U'll say U need just some members to watch their tongues... but in fact, U feel offended every time someone has another point of view and U can't prove him how wrong he/she is. Then emotions take over. It's just a forum... just a place where U can share ur opinions. But let other ppl have theirs. If someone finds gay relationship sick, it's his/her right. Use arguments to prove he/she's wrong. If U can't find the common language, just ignore. But it's kind of hypocritical to participate in fight and then call just one participant guilty. Fight is fight. No one is right there. Everyone is equal. U either take part or quit. If I don't wanna fight, I won't. There are loads of ways to point that U don't agree without getting urself involved in something U don't want to be. Just leave those angry ppl the opportunity to let some of those negative emotions out. They need it. Try to understand. If not here... where else?
Besides, if there were no ppl having different believes, U'd die from bore. Who would U defend ur band from? Journalists? But, hey, they never respond. And this way U have chance to have some kind of debate. There's the line, U say. But where exactly? Who will dare to decide where this line is? U can decide only for urself. U can decide U are better than this or something... But U can't make others shut up just coz their believes offend U. Urs can offend them, don't U think?
It's the 'discussion' board. And it's opened for ALL opinions... even negative ones. This site isn't even 'fan-site', don't forget. The best decision would be to organize 'tatu-loving' part of the forum or different forum at all where only lovers will hang out. Then banning of every 'hater' would be fair. U can always say: "hey, guy! don't U see what's written above? For TATU-lovers ONLY. It's OUR place, so get out and don't bother our joy with ur negative comments".
There were times I felt offended on this forum. One was when someone's said we (russians) deserved what happened at Dubrovka... that terract. But if I find someone is wrong, I just say : "hey, guy! U are WRONG" and don't run to mods asking to ban this person out. I try to stay calm (can't say it always works, but I'm trying) and reasonable. But I respect other ppl's opinions and tempers. Dunno... may be I just got used. I live in TATU-hating world (yeah, just had ill-luck to be born in Russia where TATU is a bad-taste). I learned to live with this (but, hey, mods, could U ban some reall ppl out of my life? or make some of my friends believe TATU are cool? I'll give U the list of names, ok? :gigi: ) And most of all I learned one thing: if U don't loose ur temper, if U find arguments to defend ur opinion and have enough sense not to call the one who has different opinion names, U'll get respect at least.
I love this place. I see lots of cool and intellegent ppl here. And it's very sad to see that just one negative opinion can make so many cool and intellegent ppl loose their temper. Something is wrong... or may be U just needed this fight not less than Fidget did? I dunno :dknow: ... ignoring seems such an easy thing to do. And when 20 ppl try to beat one up... and fail... it looks strange to me. *sigh* Mods aren't Gods. They are just ppl like U and me... ppl that do a great work trying to keep this place in order. But isn't this situation wrong: some person walks along the street and throws a cigar-butt. Everyone around notices, gets mad and starts throwing all kind of garbage at him to prove how wrong he was. And then everyone is blaming the cleaner, who 'failed to clean all the garbage out during the process'?
Ok. I'm shutting up now. I've already said much more than U wanted to hear. Sry, it's almost 6 am here and I'm kinda tired.

I love U guys anyway... all of ya... :rose:

haku
16-11-2003, 03:44
Originally posted by sunny poison
If someone finds gay relationship sick, it's his/her right. Use arguments to prove he/she's wrong.
I couldn't disagree more. Prove? We have to prove that homophobia is wrong?

It's basic human rights. People shall not be discriminated based on gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, nationality, or religion. None of this has to be proved, it's a fact.

Homophobes are wrong, no need to prove it. Homophobic comments (or racist, or chauvinist) can't be tolerated.

QueenBee
16-11-2003, 12:30
In my opinion, this is a place for tatu fan no matter what the name of the forum said
Yes, I agree. But in my opinion it is okay to say bad things about Tatu aswell, as long as you don't go overboard. But I think so about everything in this world. Use common sense! You might disagree or dislike something but that doesn't mean you have to be really rude. Same with Tatu.

Anyone notice the "Edit Ignore List" in our profile option?
Nononono! You're starting to sound like my Swedish teacher.. "Ignore them, they're air". Haha. Well I think you shouldn't ignore a problem. But in this case a user is maybe not a big problem, just irritating. And you don't have all the time in the world to solve this problem... So yeah.. Maybe it's a good choice to ignore them?

If someone finds gay relationship sick, it's his/her right. Use arguments to prove he/she's wrong.
I agree. I don't like homophobes and discrimination, and I want to change peoples minds but I can't... I think homophobia will always exist.. At least in my generation.. Maybe the next generation will be a little smarter.. Everyone in my school thinks gay people are sick.. So I don't see any progress there... People will always think different things.. You can't possibly expect everyone to share your opinion? What kind of discussion would that be? "I think like this." "Me too." "Yeah." "Now what?" When everybody agrees.. It would be boring.. So now you see someone who dislikes homosexuality. Aha! Now is your time to prove them wrong.. And don't expect to change their mind. But now they showed their opinion and you show yours. And the rest is up to them.. If they change..

Ack ack ack.. Why all this evil thread starting? First we agree on ignoring a user and then we start threads to provoce the user? It doesn't make any sense to me. I believe if Fidget wants to think lesbian sex is unnatural, fine! Maybe we just look at it the wrong way. She might have meant it from a "scientific" point of view. In my opinion, just because lesbians cannot get pregnant when having sex with eachother doesn't make it unnatural.. I think it's completely natural.. But maybe she doesn't.. So? I know alot of people who share her opinion and they are still very intelligent. I don't expect anyone to share my opinion.

forre
16-11-2003, 13:12
Okay, this is the thing I wanted to speak about for a long time now. Forum is a place where all people should have a possibility to start a discussion without offending each other personally in one or another way. No one is perfect and everyone is human. Accidents happen. Some people learn from their own mistakes and some don't. That's the difference. If moderators see that a person tries to solve the prolem and works at it hard - this person is given an opportunity, though according to rules and if to apply them stricltly, the person deserves to be banned. Some cases are more difficult and the only solution is to ban a user. Many times, such methods are avoided, but sometimes they are applied.

The decision on Fidget's matter is here Public Apology - declined. (http://forum.tatysite.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5959&perpage=10&pagenumber=3)

QueenBee
16-11-2003, 13:30
forre, I am glad we got it all worked out in the end. :rose: Now let's hope this forum will be even better than it was before because of what we learned these past days.

I love you all! :heart:

nath
16-11-2003, 17:44
Denial..i took your text to answer but i just wanted to use the term "Tatu Fans"...and think about this could mean for each of us...say that we all could love Tatu in different ways...that's all... :)
This is my fault: i didn't cut well the part of the sentence that I would speak about.....And when i said "I don't feel"...it wasn't in a negative sense...
I used english awkwardly....

I really think that there are not bad people here... sincerely... we have awkwardnesses in the way of expressing the things sometimes but people are deeply nice and it is for this reason that I love so much Tatysite...

Don't worry , please my Denial...and you know that I have a special tenderness for you .

Edit:...and maybe I wrote that this morning just because I was Sad...I was sad yesterday, I'm sad today to see we arrive in such decisions just because a "awkwardness" in the expression...I'm very sad.

spyretto
16-11-2003, 21:14
Lets not overblow this thing into a bigger problem that it actually was. There have been some rows recently, but they're sorted more or less. It's natural that there will be disagreements. The mods are trying to find a happy medium, show that there are rules and that they should be followed but also use commonsense and humanity when it's required. They're also humans, they're not robots to blindly impose the forum's rules.

That's how I see the whole situation. ( and no, that's not lip service of any kind :D )

taty994945
17-11-2003, 03:04
I agree with what everyone said.

nath
17-11-2003, 19:10
Kate is not here...please, no new fire now...please calm...for everybody, please... kiss ;)

forre
18-11-2003, 06:18
I would strongly suggest to STOP discussing Fidget. She is not just "black" and "white" type of a person but has her moods and colours too. She's not even here to defend herself. Let moderators resolve the situation in peace.

Should there be any further discussion on Fidget, I'll have to close the whole thread. So, please, stay calm, use your best human sides and make this place pleasant to visit. It's up to you all and not a single person.

Love and peace, :rose:
Olga

taty994945
18-11-2003, 11:22
peace :)

Rob
21-11-2003, 00:50
@Mods May I ask are there any written board-rules here?

..............

By the way : what exactly should "these" smilies concerning this topic be good for?

EDIT: edited as I was able to take a look at the board-rules thanks to THEvolokovaADDICT. :)

EeZeReal
21-11-2003, 01:30
Rob..The rules have a place at the top of every forum..Its an announcement thread..

http://forum.tatysite.net/announcement.php?s=&forumid=14

I also wonder why the smileys are there...And why this forum was briefly named "Fight Club" for about 10 seconds ;) :rolleyes:

teeny
21-11-2003, 02:15
Originally posted by THEvolkovaADDICT
I also wonder why the smileys are there...And why this forum was briefly named "Fight Club" for about 10 seconds ;) :rolleyes:

Ahh remember the rules of fight club, Phil?
The first rule of Fight Club is - you do not talk about Fight Club.
The second rule of Fight Club is - you DO NOT talk about Fight Club.
Third rule of Fight Club, someone yells "Stop!", goes limp, taps out, the fight is over.
Fourth rule, only two guys to a fight.
Fifth rule, one fight at a time, fellas.
Sixth rule, no shirt, no shoes.
Seventh rule, fights will go on as long as they have to.
Eighth and final rule, if this is your first night at Fight Club, you have to fight.

Someone must have mistaken Fight Club with the forum. Then again.. these rules aren't really being kept either :lalala:

The smileys are just.. well.. lame :rolleyes:

Kate
21-11-2003, 02:51
Maybe some of the mods are having fun?

shizzo
21-11-2003, 05:32
The red one is titled "moderator.gif".
The second, "protest.gif".

Odd.

goku
21-11-2003, 06:21
Haha.. I've seen them on a lot of other chat rooms before.

QueenBee
21-11-2003, 17:49
*Wonders what is going on*

I am quite confused... :ithink:
Actually (*Being really dumb now for talking about other people "Behind their backs"*) I think that Silenced Sonix was very intelligent. I never got the impression that he was a racist. :confused:

Anyways, I don't agree with what has just happened here but it's not me who decides who gets banned and who doesn't. :)

goku
22-11-2003, 19:43
Originally posted by sunwalk
...May be it will be better to open a new thread to speak about that, no?.. and come back here to the first title of the thread.
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That is what I was thinking. This needs to stop before it gets out of hand. Everyone is way off the topic, so return to it soon or make a new thread, or this one will be closed. And try to stick to the regular coloured text.:cool:

forre
22-11-2003, 19:50
goku, Okay, I'll get the posts out to a new thread. This one may stay open though as people are discussing ways of moderation. It's pretty good, don't you think so?

goku
22-11-2003, 19:58
Yes, I have found it quite interesting.