Lilja 4-Ever

[russkayatatu]

First of all, there's no previous thread about this movie, right? I looked and didn't see one, although I know it's been discussed a few times before. Maybe we can talk about it more in-depth here, then? :)

I just saw it yesterday and thought it was FANTASTIC! If you haven't seen it, go see it: it's the new (2002) film by Lucas Moodysson, director of Show Me Love; it's about a girl from somewhere in the ex-USSR who ends up trapped in Sweden forced to work as a prostitute. It's very dark, but it's very well done, and I think whoever wrote the script too was amazing :done:

Anyway I was wondering a couple things about the movie - only got to see it once, but it seemed when I was watching it that Moodysson was dealing with a lot of the same issues that Shap and Tatu do: like the one scene towards the end when she keeps talking in Russian and her Swedish client says "what, no school today? - sit down, do your homework, and be quiet," massaging her shoulders and getting aroused. It's the same projection of the "sexy schoolgirl" that tatu use with their outfits, in their YSSU and ATTSS videos, although in Moodysson's film it's not titillating, it's degrading - and ugly, after everything that she's already been through.

As a tatu fan I also thought it was disturbing when Lilja was in the bathroom - she'd been taking a bath and her pimp/imprisoner Witek opened the door and violated her - shot almost the same way as Yulia in Prostye Dvizheniya, although she was just sitting there.

Not that L & Y are like whores and not that they're exploited by the sex industry, but I was unsettled when I saw this movie. And I remembered another time when I was unsettled as a tatu fan: when I was at the taping for their ATTSS performance on Carson Daly, and they were doing their teasing (will we kiss or not? we're so close... ;) ) and everyone around me was so excited and wanting to see them kiss and not have the network censor it...and I thought, WTF, am I going to cheer them on, try to get them to kiss? There's something funny about that. And I didn't know what to think.

Moodysson dedicated it to all the millions of children who are victims of the sex industry, he says at the end of the credits. I was wondering what he thought about tatu, if that was in the movie at all or if I made it up :) I always knew tatu used pornographic (= erotically stimulating) imagery, although I guess the difference is that they provoke it and channel it away from themselves. But still there is something a little exploitative about it, or at least it seemed to me last night.

I am wondering how the desire of all Lilja's clients is different from the desire a lot of people here seem to have for Lena and Yulia - it seems the same. Not provoked by the schoolgirl image, maybe, but that's not important. Does it make such a difference that it goes into all the obsessive things laid out in detail on the tatu forum and not into, you know, sex? I guess it does make a big difference. Sorry for rambling, people :)

One more question for those who've seen it: was that a picture of Lena on the wall of her first apartment where she lived with her mom?? It looked like it could've been, but I wasn't sure :)

Any other comments on the movie would be appreciated :rose:

By the way, I thought the soundtrack ROCKED - I want it, LoL :done:

[Tom Violence]

I absolutely loved this film. I go to the cinema an awful lot, and this has been the best film I've seen so far this year. I adore the emotional intensity of it. Helped by the soundtrack, which was great. Rammstein and t.A.T.u. are both HUGE sounding bands, they suited the film.

I didn't at the time read any overt connection into the sexual theme of the film and the image of t.A.T.u. but there is certainly an affinity. And I've heard Ivan Shapovalov was inspired by Fucking Amal. I think the thing both he and Lukas Moodysson are keen to do is to make visible teenage sexuality. And indeed the appeal teenagers can have. These are the kind of steps necessary before a successful investigation of what constitutes exploitation can take place.

I'd never call Lilya 4-Ever exploitative or titillating. Moodysson never implies that Lilya does anything other than hate her 'employment' as a prostitute - the sex scenes are so uncomfortable, I can't possibly see how anyone could find them arousing. t.A.T.u. are clearly a different issue. I'm not uncomfortable watching t.A.T.u. videos, I'm not uncomfortable with the sexual component of their image. Maybe I'm still sufficiently young to be attracted to Yulia and Lena without feeling awkward. And I don't find them attractive in their early videos so much as I find them attractive as they are now. I think the point that emerges is that there is no easy way to define a point at which sexual desire is maladaptively directed. I think that's probably what Ivan intends to say.

And it's a perfectly reasonable point as long as one doesn't mistake the ambiguity of 'right' and 'wrong' for their non-existence. Because we must still say that some actions are not morally justifiable. However, I'm not sure how a case-by-case basis could ever work in society, I think there has to be an arbritary age of consent.

I have more questions than I do answers.

And Lilya did have a Taty poster in her bedroom, yes.

[KooReeT]

I could say that this is one of the best movies that I've ever seen. It left an impression on me that I've never felt before. And it was hard not to be overcome by emotions at the end Considering the fact that it was playing in only 2 theatres in NYC, the film had great reviews and did really good in ticket sales. I also liked how they showed how Russian teens expirience growing up in rough neighborhoods and in rough times.
Thank you ihavetatusleeves for coming with me to see the movie and sharing the expirience of seeing this great movie.
Also, I caught the chills when I saw the Tatu poster in her room and hearing NGGU! :done:

[spyretto]

I stand corrected about what I said, of course these things are happening and are happening for too long, it was about time someone made a film about it.
That film should also be shown in China, where there's a huge trafficking network. If Lilja survived her ordeal she'd probably have a child who would be forced into prostitution too, if she were a girl, abandoned or killed if it was a boy.

The moral is: you go looking for money in the wrong places you're gonna get killed.

I was only commenting on the fact that Lilja's character is perhaps too angelic to be realistic in the deep sense but it's a drama, after all.

Real life can be even worse, that is the world we live in, and there are many heartless scumbags out there just like those characters in the movie.

[zebu]

I just saw the movie 2 weeks ago at the film festival here in croatia.

i agree with you, it made such a big impression on me, no other movie ever did.
and the ramstein and tatu songs and that version of forever young - it was so strong.

and there was defenitely a tatu poster in her first apartament.

[spyretto]

and there was defenitely a tatu poster in her first apartament.

Yeah, there was...Tatu in red, if I remember correctly.
The soundtack's great, like in all Moodysson films. He says that he uses songs that have something to do with the particular scene of the film that the song is heard, they're not just chosen in random. For example, "Nas Ne dogoniat", in the car with Andrei, when they talk about going away...or the song heard when Vitek takes Lilja to a store to buy her a hat, that was a pretty intense moment too. You'd think that she'd do something, scream or try to break free but didn't. ( Oops, sorry about the spoilers for those who haven't seen the film. )
Rammstein were chosen because he saw grafitti on a wall, in Russia. They had to make the environment as realistic as possible.
Overall, I think Moodysson handled his material very well. There was always the danger that a film with such a subject matter could degenerate into sexual titilation but this one didn't. The way he shot those "sex scenes" also helped a lot.

Moodysoon is quite popular in Greece, at the moment. "Lilja 4-ever" did very well, and now they're showing "Show Me Love', quite belatedly; but it never got a proper cinema release in Greece before.

[taty994945]

does anyone know where i can buy this film?

[spyretto]

You can get it on DVD(2) or VHS( PAL ) , it was released in Sweden fairly recently. I don't think there's a NTSC version out yet.

http://home.no.net/oebamal/en/store_lf.html#uk

[zebu]

the film is great, one of the best i've seen lately.

i remember after seeing it i couldn't stop thinking about it for few days.

at the film festival in motovun, where i saw it, before the film started the leading actress Lilja-in the film came to the stage and said a few words about the film- of course in russian, it was nice to hear it live :) & she looked good

[spyretto]

that version of "Forever Young" from the soundtrack is just awesome :)

[zebu]

Originally posted by spyretto
that version of "Forever Young" from the soundtrack is just awesome :)

do you have the soundtrack?
what's the name of the rammstein song that is at the beggining and at the end of the film?

[Lцfberg]

Lilja 4-ever is a great film. Even better than Fucking Еmеl! Swedish directors rule! ;)

[taty994945]

thanks spyretto

[spyretto]

The Rammstein song is called Mein Herz Brennt. You can also find it on their latest album ( Mutter )

[zebu]

Originally posted by spyretto
The Rammstein song is called Mein Herz Brennt. You can also find it on their latest album ( Mutter )

thanx on the info

[taty994945]

I watched lilja 4-ever the other day...it was clearly the most powerful film i've ever seen. I love the scene where they get high on glue at the pentagon and that techno song is playing :)

[zebu]

and the music is great during the whole movie.

i must get the soundtrack

[rachelc]

I too thought Lilya was the best film of the year - the whole of the Russian tragedy was in there; the failed Communist belief system and the replacement of it with what? A heartless, empty Western world, full of material goods (where everything can be bought and sold) but lacking in any kind of humanity. The scene where Lilya's mother leaves is one of the most powerful I've seen in a film in a very long time. If Yulia and Lena haven't seen this yet, they really should. I would be fascinated to hear what Moodysonn thinks of Tatu because of course, as has been said before, he would have deliberately chosen those references and I know he takes quite a serious interest in Russian culture.

[russkayatatu]

huh, I'd nearly forgotten about this thread :none: ;)

For those people who liked the music in this movie I think the song playing during the opening credits (after the Rammstein, when the camera is going past the buildings, if I remember it correctly :ithink: ) is "Bomba," or Бомба, by Via Gra.

[zebu]

russkayatatu you remember correctly it is Bomba :)

[QueenBee]

...and I haven't seen it.

[Lux]

still havent seen this but reading this thread makes me want to. you can rent it in the US, right? :none:

[elf]

Originally posted by Lux
still havent seen this but reading this thread makes me want to. you can rent it in the US, right? :none:

I have it downloaded but I still haven't seen it. After reading the review I should ;)

[elf]

Well, I have finally watched the movie. In a few words: I loved it and hated it at the same time :)

First of all the directing, the acting and the soundtrack are simply awesome. The movie is very powerful and draws you in right from the start. To be honest, I trully enjoyed watching it :done:

What I didn't really like is the main point of the movie - the undeniable and overwhelming "live is shit" and death bing the only salvation. It is said that Russian movies are famous for not having a happy end just as American movies are famous for having one. However this film was depressing almost every second right from the beginning. It's one of those films that makes you want to die after watching it :grustno:

The reason why the film is so depressing for me personally is that it so realistically depicts the cruelty of Russian life of mid 90's. The director specifically selects the worst possible aspects and describes them in vivid detail. What is not very typical is the main character. She does not have a "fighter" spirit and does not try do her best to resist the hardships of life like most Russians would. She is a very kind and naive girl who accepts the life as it is, and the life eventually defeats her. Furthermore, the live is very hard for her, with no forgiveness for any mistakes she makes.

Coparing t.A.T.u. to the movie, if they are even related, I would say they are on the two completely opposite ends of the line:

* The image innocent yet forbiden love VS depiction of brutal and violent sex.
* The power to posess the minds of millions VS the powerlessness of not being in controll of your own body.
* The strength to fight through any difficulties/prejudices to protect their love VS deparate acceptance of fate.
* Inspiration VS tragedy.

BTW, it was a t.A.T.u. portrait on Lilya's wall :)

[cirrus]

Where did you guys get this movie? I'd love to see it (i like dark depressing movies for some reason...)

[elf]

Originally posted by cirrus
Where did you guys get this movie? I'd love to see it (i like dark depressing movies for some reason...)

I downloaded mine from eDonkey :lalala: If you want I can try to upload it to an FTP...

[cirrus]

Thanks elf, but it would take so long for me to download it. Plus, i really can't stand watching shows/videos on my computer. it's the TV for me. But thanks for offering, it was a nice gesture. :)

I found a place to order it, but I'll need a multi-region DVD player. And since it's almost Christmas...

[QueenBee]

cirrus, I agree with you.. watching movies on the computer sucks :D I would see it with my best friend but she's already seen it :(

*Cough* A multi-region DVD player, eh? What's your address :P

[cirrus]

QueenBee, if you'll send me one, i'll gladly give you my address! but who knows what other evil things you'll send to me... :dead:

[coolasfcuk]

Originally posted by cirrus
I found a place to order it, but I'll need a multi-region DVD player. And since it's almost Christmas...
I know how you feel 'Slavic brat' :D
:mad: I've looked all over the place to order the DvD in America and not in euro-format... no luck... but... i think I might've found a place where i can rent it from... *crossing fingers* ... would not have that problem if i was at the East Coast :rolleyes: ..i am sure... psssssssssss russkaya, when's the next time you're going to NY? he heeeeeeee...

o.t. Queenie, my 'Slavic sestra' awwwwwwwwwww

Hos dig vill jag stanna kvar
are you continuing my signature :gigi: he heeeeeeeee .... but i thought it was:

hos dig дr jag stark
hos dig дr jag underbar
hos dig har jag allt
dе vеgar jag stanna kvar :spy:

[russkayatatu]

Originally posted by coolasfcuk
... would not have that problem if i was at the East Coast ..i am sure... psssssssssss russkaya, when's the next time you're going to NY? he heeeeeeee...


I am always, always looking for an excuse :gigi: but not to ask a stupid question ... are you sure there is a non-Euro version of the DVD? :spy:

[coolasfcuk]

Originally posted by russkayatatu
but not to ask a stupid question ... are you sure there is a non-Euro version of the DVD?
not stupid at all russ, cause really... I dont think there is... but i KEPP hoping, lol... otherwise will have to wait till I am in Europe to watch it... :gigi:

[russkayatatu]

I don't think there is either ... but I know there's a VHS-NTSC version which I'm sure is around somewhere, and I can find out if the DVD's in print - so - I'll check it out :gigi:

[cirrus]

About a North American Lilya 4-Ever DVD: I found a great website about the movie (forgot the address), but it had a big online store with DVDs, and other related things like tatu cds ( :) ). I emailed the owner, and he said that a North American release is unlikely, and there are no DVDs that will play here.

Unless... he he he :D :spy:
I discovered that many DVD players can be hacked! With a combination of buttons on the remote control, you can change the region setting to enable other DVDs. My dvd player SUCKS because it can't be hacked, but others might. Just find out what brand/model number your dvd is and search for hacks.

Slavic Brat, huh?
Me likes the sound of that :done:

[coolasfcuk]

Originally posted by russkayatatu
... but I know there's a VHS-NTSC version which I'm sure is around somewhere, and I know where and how to find out if the DVD's in print - so - I'll check it out
well.. I still have VCR as well :cool: .. and ja ja... find out russ and let us know, please! And if you ever come across that VHS you know what to do right :heh:

[shizzo]

I just did an ьbersearch for that film - and it seems
that it's true that there hasn't yet been a Region 1
release of it.

:(

Release expected in the summer of 2004, though.

By the way, coolasfcuk is right - it should be "dе
vеgar jag stanna kvar".
:rose:
:: relentless fan of PI ::

[QueenBee]

cirrus, I don't send bombs :D I swear! WHO TOLD YOU I SEND BOMBS?! HUH?!?!?!? You don't know me, I don't know you! *runs away and runs back again* Psst, *whispers* We've never had this conversation. *Cough*

cniaju, & coolasfcuk, oh well, I never payed much attention to that song. :lalala:

[luxxi]

Originally posted by russkayatatu
Anyway I was wondering a couple things about the movie - only got to see it once, but it seemed when I was watching it that Moodysson was dealing with a lot of the same issues that Shap and Tatu do: like the one scene towards the end when she keeps talking in Russian and her Swedish client says "what, no school today? - sit down, do your homework, and be quiet," massaging her shoulders and getting aroused. It's the same projection of the "sexy schoolgirl" that tatu use with their outfits, in their YSSU and ATTSS videos, although in Moodysson's film it's not titillating, it's degrading - and ugly, after everything that she's already been through.


I was under impression he wanted to have sex with his daughter and used Lilya to play the role.

After all the hype about it I watched it inependant film festival here. bloody depressing. I thought that whoever wrote that script had worst hangover in his life and just wanted to die. Maybe I expected too much but was rather disapointed with it.

[taty994945]

It's the feel-bad movie of the year. ;)

[Unplugged]

I've just seen it. (**spoilers ahead**)

Ever since I started to get to know tATu, I obviously got more interested about what was and is going on in ex-URSS countries, so I was already sort-of prepared for this movie. But still, just like Lars von Trier's 'Dancer in the Dark', it made me feel the tragedy in a really extreme way. When Lilya got into "her" appartment in Sweden, I thought to myself "OK, prepare yourself" - but then when I saw her cleaning up the place and having a nice bath I thought "Hmm, I hope she'll at least have some sort of comfort when she's alone and not being RAPED all the time"... And then when her pimp came back to the appartment I even thought for a second that he would just tell her to get ready and take her to a client. But when he locked her in the bathroom and raped her... And when she got locked in the appartment crying and asking for help... My heart was beating faster and I had tears in my eyes - it's funny though, while watching some tragic movies I just cry, but this one was so shocking that it was like I didn't even have to think about crying when I had the tears in my eyes, cause I couldn't stop feeling what was happening - it was so intense, I couldn't just stop for a second to think about it and then cry.
It's not just a movie, it's an experience. It is a brilliant piece of art because it captures the character's emotions so well and develops such an atmosphere that you clearly forget it's a movie and start feeling it as it were real (and it's a VERY rare accomplishment these days). The scene where Lilya and Volodya are inside a huge abonded military building of the former Soviet Union reading speeches of former powerful men, it's funny in a way but also very sad since it perfectly illustrates to what happened to ex-URSS countries after they got independent - they got abandoned and then also exploited by western society.
Some people say Lukas Moodyson is pretentious because he says western rich countries take advantage of the hopelessness of people in poor countries and exploit them to an extreme point which is really cruel, in terms of slavery even. Not only sexual slavery, all kinds of slavery. I don't think this is pretentious or "populist" as some other people said. I don't think the vision he's trying to give is as simple as "Westerners - rich, bad, cruel; Easterners - poor exploited victims" - I just think some people get angry at him because they would prefer to just watch some documentaries about sex slavery without the actual disturbing scenes, just some testemonials of some girls with blurred faces, so they can say "oh yes, it's so sad" and then not think about ever again after 2 seconds. This movie takes a stand, and I guess that irritated many people in the Western society.

Then I'd like to talk about another thing. Some people say the message they got after the movie was that there's no hope - if your life is going to be horrible every day and God doesn't listen to your prayers, destroy God's picture and then kill yourself. Once again, it's a stupid, easy interpretation. Actually, on the DVD, Moodyson even talks about this. He says something like "God didn't listen to her prayers - but maybe he did"! And I totally agree. For me, God sent her Volodya as an Angel as she was about to commit suicide and he (Volodya) told her she still had that life to live and if she killed herself she would be giving in "to the people who spit on her"... On the other hand, although he advises her not to do it, you can tell he would respect her choice because either way she would end up in misery and die - if she told the police, she would be sent back to her native country and the sex mafia would either kill her or keep using her; if she didn't tell anyone, she'd have to go through hell being raped everyday for many years. So, to my view, God did give her a sign. And when she died, she joined her friend in Heaven just like they imagined it.

There's one thing though... Moodyson said he called the place where she lived "somewhere in ex-Soviet Union" cause if he said it was Estonia or whatever, people could think that he was blaming the named country for allowing such situations. But then he makes it quite clear that she is going to SWEDEN, a not a country "somewhere in the EU", and that's where the most horrible things happen to her, in a supposedly more civilized and secure country. So, I think it's plausible if someone says that he wants to blame the Western society more... ok, so maybe he does. I would too - since we have access to so much more, since we have more structures, it's insulting that things can happen just like that.

Anyway, if you haven't seen it, go rent it or buy it. I bought it as soon as I layed my eyes on it and didn't regret it - on the other hand, it's one of the best movies I've ever seen in my life - as I said, it's not just a movie, it's a life experience.

[spyretto]

Lilya 4-Ever will be shown on BBC 4 tonight at 10. Here's the details:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/cinema/features/lilya.shtml

[forre]

Thanks, spy. I saw it last spring. A hard movie. Modysson has a pemiere now with his new picture "Ett hål i mitt hjärta" (A hole in my heart), with the scenes of sexual violence, disgusting athmosphere and dirty affairs. It's in the cinemas across Sweden now and doesn't seem to do it very well.

[Mossopp]

Thanks for the heads-up spy! :rose:

[crni]

i just saw the movie this evening and i must say that's the most depressing movie i've ever seen :none:
i just feel bad for everything that has happened to Lilja, even though it's only a movie... but it looks so damn real!! and when i saw that kid sniffing glue, i remembered a documentary i saw 2 yrs ago about homeless kids in st. petersburg doing exactly the same thing and that WAS for real :(
so, after watching this geniuos piece of art, i must say i'm impressed by the effect it had on me (cause no movie had that impact on me) and it is by far the best movie i've ever seen.

[QueenBee]

Ow.. I still haven't seen it.
Is that humiliating or what?

Well I'm glad you enjoyed it, C... Now I really wanna see it!

[crni]

Well I'm glad you enjoyed it, C...
"enjoyed it" sounds wierd... it's more like "lived it through"... kinda...
Now I really wanna see it!
well... try to get it if you can, and if you can't... we'll work something out... ;)

[teeny]

Well I'm glad you enjoyed it, C... Now I really wanna see it!I find it a bit funny that one of the few swedes haven't seen it yet.. :heh:

I got to see it durring December I think. I think it was a really disturbing movie. Can't really say anything about it that haven't been said so far, so I'll leave it at that.

qb, not only haven't you seen the movie, you also have to get corrected when quoting a Patrik Isaksson song? Shame on you :p :kwink:

[QueenBee]

I find it a bit funny that one of the few swedes haven't seen it yet..
Yeah, that's why it's humiliating! :laugh:

qb, not only haven't you seen the movie, you also have to get corrected when quoting a Patrik Isaksson song? Shame on you
LOL I know! :lol: I'm Polish at heart. ;)

[spyretto]

There's a film which is even worse than Lilja 4-ever, called "Grave of the Fireflies" ( Hotaru no Haka ). If Lilja had some saving graces - like the angels bit - Hotaru no Haka has none.
Highly recommended if you like anime and for a day you're so depressed you can't get any more. For some reason it made me think of Lilja 4-ever straight away - the similarities are obvious enough. Japanese version with subtitles is preferable :cool:

[RowerB]

I got Lilya 4-Ever on DVD last January. It arrived just after the Ivan bashing episode of the “Reality” Show, but before the Live Chat.
As soon as I saw the angel wings I got a real bad feeling about tatu. It spoiled the film for me. I could not properly concentrate on it. I haven’t watched it since. I’ll give it another go this week.

[Veggie Delite]

i haven't seen it either :(

[Unplugged]

As soon as I saw the angel wings I got a real bad feeling about tatu.
I'm sorry, I don't understand, lol. Why did the angel wings give you a bad feeling about tAtu?! And why this particular movie?

[Veggie Delite]

dude, i didn't say that, RowerB did

:ithink:

[Unplugged]

LOL Yeah, sometimes that happens, I don't know why :eek: :laugh: :dknow:
I'm sure I selected his quote and clicked on "quick quote", so.. weird :spy:
Anyway, I'm too lazy to correct. RowerB, you know I was talking to you :p

[Veggie Delite]

i forgive you :P

[RowerB]

In the promo pics for the “Reality” Show, tatu were shown with angel wings. It just seemed it could have all been a high profile and very public way to kill off group tatu. The movie has the NND link with tatu.

[Unplugged]

In the promo pics for the “Reality” Show, tatu were shown with angel wings. It just seemed it could have all been a high profile and very public way to kill off group tatu.
Oh, I see ;)

Well, you should watch the rest of the movie. It's really deep and truthful... Really sad and disturbing as well - I spent 2 weeks depressed and traumatized by those images :none: I can't believe stuff like that is happening right now to poor girls and boys :(

[coolasfcuk]

When I was in Sweden with sasha this summer, she had the DvD at her apartment and I really wanted to see it ... but I have to admit, I made her STOP it before they had even gotten into Sweden ... I was just NOT in the mood to watch such depressing thing on the day I had arrived. So, after wanting to see the movie so bad, when i finally had a chance, i still didint. Havent seen it to date ... i will think about it..

[crni]

I was just NOT in the mood to watch such depressing thing on the day I had arrived
that's good enough reason, cause it'd probably put you down for a few days, and that's not nice when you're on holiday... :p
anyways, you should difinitely finish watching it if you have a chance, it's the most memorable movie i've ever seen :none:

[Mossopp]

I can't believe tATu managed to ruin this movie for you - they had absolutely nothing to do with it! If you have an aversion to angels as a result of the 'Podnebesnaya' ad-campain then there's a helluva lot of movies that you are now going to find completely unwatchable. I feel sorry for you - now you'll never know how great 'All Dogs Go To Heaven' really is. ;) :p
BTW, I thought the "angel wings" thing totally spoiled the mood of this film. Everything in it was so gritty and realistic untill they decided to schmaltz it up. I thought it would have been pretty clear who was dead and who wasn't without giving the characters wings! That was just straight-up cheesy! :rolleyes:

[RowerB]

I feel sorry for you
Thank you so much, Mossopp. I am really grateful. Hope you’re having/had a good hogmanay.

[teeny]

Havent seen it to date ... i will think about it..if you decide to see it some day then watch "Ondskan" aswell. Not the same genre and all, but I like it alot better, and it's still a Swedish movie

[RowerB]

I watched the film today. As staringelf said, it’s really sad and disturbing. I can’t imagine the despair felt by kids in that situation.

I thought it would have been pretty clear who was dead and who wasn't without giving the characters wings! That was just straight-up cheesy! :rolleyes:
The angel wings were cheesy, but I needed something to emphasise who was alive and who was dead.

[Unplugged]

The angel wings were cheesy
Yeah I agree, and at least they could have used some pretty angel wings, instead of those ones, they looked like they were ripped off a cheap doll :p

it’s really sad and disturbing.
Yeah :none: I hope you can sleep tonight :grustno: