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YLuelniaa
23-04-2003, 20:17
I am so utterly confused with what has been recently happening too this forum...
Its like one mins this forum is all happy go lucky ...fill with energy..and the next its like a freakin hail storm has appeared and is rocking the boat...
can someone please fill me in on what i have missed...granted I have been here the whole time...but whats the deal with all the negativity cirrulating...
Do share...i will be here waitin...for someone to enlighten me!
Thanks
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All right here it is:
1. This site is a site about group t.A.T.u., neither a pure fan site nor an anti-tatu site.
2. People have the right to express their own opinions. Take it or leave it.
3. It doesn't matter wether the members are obsessed fans or obsessed bashers - as long as their statements are directed to the main subject it's fine. Starting a fight on the forum based on personal believes is prohibited by the rules.
4. The admins and mods are just normal people, with their own preferences those are trying to keep this place run logically and technically.
Thanks for your attention!
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bgirlnikki
23-04-2003, 20:21
I feel the same way! It's like this forum is dark and full of people who's main purpous is to argue.
I am not one to blame but I think we all know who has set this pessimistic tone!
I could be wrong, but I don't think everyone is sharing all they know.
i hope i'm not the one to blame and i think that all of this started along with the war in iraq. that's when we started to theese pesimistic threads...and stuff :(
I haven't been here long but it does seem a bit gloomy! It's like people don't know how to state their opinions without comming off as arogant and Matter-Of-Fact ish. Also, I have seen personal attacks from people who should KNOW better!
I'm starting to think that this isn't the place for me.
EeZeReal
23-04-2003, 20:39
Yea im pretty stumped by some people's outlook on the future..
I mean this is a fan forum, us fans are supposed to be optimistic about whats to come, not cast everyone into sorrow with all this negativity.
I come off as gloomy? Well, crud!
*Hides her arrogance under her bed. Sings nonchalantly.* Doo, doo, doo...
*Cough.*
~Echo.
I did not say anyone in particular! I said people! Mod's and non mod's alike!
Stop it!
23-04-2003, 20:48
I think that the main problem is that people forget that this is a forum and not a chat room!
I don't think that comments should be directed to anyone, that's why peeps get off topic and argue so much!
YLuelniaa
24-04-2003, 03:31
i still didn't quite get my answer...but glad to know people feel the same way i do...
What is causing all those negative threads and posts:
1. Growing popularity of the group brought more information.
2. Cancelled shows.
3. Scandals.
4. Nonsens that is appearing both in media and on internet based on the official statements.
5. Tension between press and the group.
6. Controversy that is taken differently by different people.
7. Lack of ability of the members to carry a dicent debate without offending each other.
YLuelniaa
24-04-2003, 07:14
Originally posted by forre
What is causing all those negative threads and posts:
1. Growing popularity of the group brought more information.
.. has nothing to do with it.....(wheres the new info that we didn't already know!)
2. Cancelled shows.
too be expected..who doesn't cancel....
3. Scandals.
When aren't there scandels...still dont see how negtivity has come..from stuff that we know comes from tabloilds
4. Nonsens that is appearing both in media and on internet based on the official statements.
ok...we know its nonsense...so why are we arguin about it?
5. Tension between press and the group.
mmm hmm...but why are people on the forum becoming so negative...since we know how the girls are anyways?!
6. Controversy that is taken differently by different people.
dont know what to say that....
7. Lack of ability of the members to carry a dicent debate without offending each other.
Totally...and whats the deal with that....why can't we simply state our opinions without forcing somone else to subcome to their beliefs and opinions about the girls..?
All I have to say is....... forre is full of shit!
Did you see the "Answers" she posted in this thred!?!?
I'm not going to say anything because I see how the mod's gang up on people but DAMN! Can't anyone say that the reason their is so much tention and negitivity is because of the mods? They think their word is GOD! Answers.....hahahahaha!
Echoed ..... prime example, Dees wasn't even TALKING about HER! They jump to conclusions and asume the worst!
The fact that no one can speek out without getting their posts messed with IS THE BIGGEST REASON I DON'T SAY WHAT IS REALLY ON MY MIND! Isn't that the reason we HAVE such things as forums?
Anyway, I am going to bed .......
Warning. Read the rules of this forum.
yup. most negativeness that comes here also contains a sertain element of "i know more than you do coz i've been here longer, i'v read this, i've been places, i never was interested in the first place, your judgement is clouded, you should trust me coz i know facts (which?), you will be disappointed, they are going down, this and that will kill them, its all pornography in the end, they are sluts, shapovalov is sick, girls have no control, in the end i know more than you do coz i've been here longer and know more fact, so you should get off the nadwagon while you can"
bah
at this point i dont know why mods are still here and sing the same song coz things with the group aint gonna be any prittier or worse. the way the group is, it was never ment to be pritty and nice and never was, for the general public of close minded, homophobed and fearful ppl.
why hang out in the place that you grew bored off and have just tiny winy interest in by this time. if i'm tired of a song, i switch to the next one. but sometimes i'm tired temporarily and would come back to a song after a while. in which case i'm not really tired of it and i dont delete it just yet and tell all my friend that it sucks.
XtremeHollywood
24-04-2003, 08:48
Long story short, the only reason this forum has not gone down the road of tatugirls.com is because of the mods. If I was not mistaken, there was some sarcasm implied by Echoed.
I rarely visit here but I think you guys have it better here than there so don't screw it up. Come on, really...
now that is true, the mods are doing a great job. not perfect but great. but this thread isn't about job well done but about feelings
I agree, some of the mods are certainly one of the main reasons why this place gets so agressive. Aren't Tatu about honesty and free speech? Well, it's obviously not like this around here! Nearly everytime someone says something the mods don't like their message gets edited. That's not right because we have to put up from so much crap for the mods ourselves.
There's Kate B who isn't even a mod anymore but still throws her weight around as though she still is. Posts like "close this thread Echoed" or "go back onto topic, I think I have the right to say that (I am an ex-mod)" are just plain stupid! Kate, if you wanted to stay in charge you shouldn't have deleted yourself.
One thing that makes me laugh is the fact that she feels bitter because people ask her whether she's a lesbian just because she's Russian! I mean come on, are you really telling me that idiots like that really get to you?! If they do I think you need to take a good look at yourself. What's the big deal about being a lesbian? Think it's the ultimate insult being called one do you? If you think it is, then you're homophobic, FULL STOP! And that's something I really don't understand as the girls were making it VERY clear from the start that they were gay and in love with each other. Why promote something you hate so much? Well, you certainly don't promote them anymore - calling them "sluts" etc. What gives you right to judge them? You don't know anything more about them then any other well informed fan here.
Another thing that is hated (and I'm not just speaking for myself here) is all that "I've been a fan for two years so I know what I'm talking about!" I don't know how you can even call yourself a fan! You say that the girls are controlled by Ivan and don't have any say in things, if you think this is the case why promote them originally? And if you only started thinking Ivan is a monster recently, what got you thinking like this? Please don't say it was anything to do with the tabloids because we all know how much crap is in them.
I'm sorry but I absolutely detest forre. For the last couple of weeks nearly every single post has either been really sarcastic or just plainly dissing the girls. And there's all that "I met them so I know what I'm talking about crap." You met them for what? A couple of days?! And you really think you know everything about them because of that?! Get real!!! Forre used to be tolerant to different opinions, but now all the does is argue with you if she doesn't agree with you.
Then there's coolasfcuk who also thinks they're puppets on a string! Please, just tell me what evidence have you REALLY got to prove it?
My thoughts on Echoed are pretty much neutral. Just doing her job most of the time.
What's the bet this gets edited or deleted?!
Warning too. It doesn't matter who is thinking and what. That is the last warning. Please refer to the rules of this forum.
Originally posted by So grey
All I have to say is....... forre is full of shit!
Did you see the "Answers" she posted in this thred!?!?
I'm not going to say anything because I see how the mod's gang up on people but DAMN! Can't anyone say that the reason their is so much tention and negitivity is because of the mods? They think their word is GOD! Answers.....hahahahaha!
Echoed ..... prime example, Dees wasn't even TALKING about HER! They jump to conclusions and asume the worst!
At least mods don't offend you personnaly. Freedom of speech doesn't mean a mess and a right to speak crap about another members. This is a serious violation of the forum's rules.
oh, the words of wisdom, one liner. now forre i believe there is no personal stuff coming off you, atleast i didn't see but can you speak up for other mods and EX mods? should they read forum rules or forum rules are just for mortals?.
how about a common responce: "...know what i'm talking about, baby..." but yah, its better to close your eyes on the arrogance
Sometimes mods are placing warnings via PM, sometimes - in the posts. Depends on what subject. If a person knows what he/she is talking about, it lies perfectly within the rules. Sometimes we don't see all the offensive posts, sometimes we do. We are fighting with the flood here and keeping it clean from spams. At least we are trying.
PowerPuff Grrl
24-04-2003, 16:38
No artist is immune from criticism.
No artist is entitled to pure idol worshipping.
It doesn't does matter who you are or what you have accomplished, you will always get criticism.
Just on a side note, everybody has the right to voice their opinions and people have the right to voice their opposing opinions. It is called debating and it usually takes place in forums. If you want nothing but idol worshipping, then build a fansite and become a moderator.
You guys have the chops to argue for the credibility of Tatu. I don't understand why you are complaining when it comes to posters questioning them. Just argue back, there is no harm in that.
Being a mod/admin doesn't mean they know everything and have the sole authority to based things as the absolute truth. Moreover, being a mod/admin doesn't mean they have no right to express their opinions, they just have they added responsibility that comes with being a mod/admin. If you are intimidated by a mod/admin, then please don't be. Opinions are opinions, it could be biased or just way off no matter where those opinions are coming from.
Just rebut them.
The forum is a mess lattely and this is not because of spam. People that have met Yulia & Lena suddenly have it all figured out. I think that even tatu themselves know less about their own lives then they do. There is no "my opininon" phrases anymore - lots of members began talking in absoluts - it's like that and if you don't agree your opinion doesn't matter, you are not well informed, naive or even stupid. Why? That's just the way it is. This are all the FACTS.
They do it for the money and that's it. NVNBNP is a bad song and it won't win Eurovision for sure. No but's about it. No valid arguments to confirm the statements eather. What is a purpose of a fan forum if not disccussing different aspects and views of the group? If we knew everything we wouldn't need forums, right?
Take it easy people and listen what people have to say (not just Eleena Kiper;) )
i have no problem with hearing bad opinions about tatu (after all we get them from tabloids all the time, we are immuneand used to them, some of us). but most negative commentary isn't held in the opinion manner (like freddie said) but in a fixed position with a "forcing it on you" tone. like someone is on the mission to prove to us that tatu are past and we are wasiting our time.
rules or no rules but there should be a genuine understanding in the first place that this is a fan forum, not just some forum where tatu got discussed by incidental circumstances, but where ppl come coz of love and interest for the group not for double dozadge of things that try to convert you from tatu.
whats the point of trying to convince ppl that tatu are very bad? this is a wrong croud here to be talking to about it. or is it some personal issues played on others?
keep the opinions flowing, a negative opnion here and there always stirs up some nice conversations but they often and up in flames coz negativeness is taken too far and in the wrong place
By the way, I was simply being humorous. ^_^' You know, what with the forum getting so serious.
I'm sorry to have offended anyone.
I, personally, despite all of my constant and annoying little warnings, am perfectly at ease with discussions. Civil discussions. Sure, I'd prefer constructrive and positive criticism, however, the world is not all dandelions and fluff. So, we have two sides to a coin. One says one thing, the other says another.
In the case of the "event" in question, one should read through said thread and note that all involved had been communicated with one way or another.
Hopefully, we can retain civility in our discussions.
Other than all that boring stuff I just typed up, I'm munching on a cookie. ^_^' *Craves chocolate chip.* Mm. :p
~Echo.
*huggles Echoed*
Well said.
*keeps other opinions to self*
QueenBee
24-04-2003, 17:34
I think we are the ones to blame, and not some individual.. WE create this forum because without US this forum would be EMPTY. :lalala: You shouldn't bash someone for thinking differently. Why should your opinion be respected if you don't respect others? We think differently and that's the way it is so let's grab eachothers hands and live in peace :p
Sure things get rough and hateful sometimes but that's when you should realise it's enough, leave the thread and come back some other time when things are settled.
Or you can just do it the smart way, state your opinion as your opinion, and not some kind of order, be nice to other members, respect their opinions and discuss in a nice matter.
If everyone would do this.. would we have problems??
eep. and this is not directed to anyone specific, just to all of us to maybe think about it once in a while.
YLuelniaa
24-04-2003, 18:47
look at what we have here...a semi-positive yet informing thread...
I've gotten some answers out of here...and i thank you all for sharing your thoughts on this topic...Now i just wish others would realize this as you guys have...
yet again thanks
Stop it!
24-04-2003, 19:03
What I wanted to say has been said.
So now I think the main thing is for us to stop blaming, stop arguing, stop the arogance, and get on with the tatu disscusions.
Willow71
24-04-2003, 19:05
Originally posted by Echoed
[B]By the way, I was simply being humorous. ^_^' You know, what with the forum getting so serious.
:rose: Echoed, yes, that's IT!
Tooo serious at all.
We are discussing about a music group who says so often "We just want to have fun!" :) (like in the radio interview). And we? We are fighting and bashing each other...
QueenBee
24-04-2003, 19:37
Yeah It's getting better already! Let's keep it this way! :)
It doesn't matter who is thinking and what. Then why are we all here then? Might as well not bother really if it doesn't matter.
I'm prepared to be banned if that's what's gonna happen. I'm not just gonna sit back and watch the mods upset all the positive members.
Originally posted by queenbee
I think we are the ones to blame, and not some individual.. WE create this forum because without US this forum would be EMPTY. :lalala: You shouldn't bash someone for thinking differently. Why should your opinion be respected if you don't respect others? We think differently and that's the way it is so let's grab eachothers hands and live in peace :p
Sure things get rough and hateful sometimes but that's when you should realise it's enough, leave the thread and come back some other time when things are settled.
Or you can just do it the smart way, state your opinion as your opinion, and not some kind of order, be nice to other members, respect their opinions and discuss in a nice matter.
If everyone would do this.. would we have problems??
eep. and this is not directed to anyone specific, just to all of us to maybe think about it once in a while.
Amen to that, QueenBee. :D
Originally posted by forre
At least mods don't offend you personnaly. Freedom of speech doesn't mean a mess and a right to speak crap about another members. This is a serious violation of the forum's rules.
Yes, you are right, I was wrong, I made a mistake, I am sorry.
I think this thred was good! But, I don't want to argue! No point.
Everyone on this forum is capable of disscusion without argument! I am proof! Let's all do like forre said and stay away form personal posts!
Once again...... I'm going to sleep!
Originally posted by I_Love_Yulia
Then why are we all here then? Might as well not bother really if it doesn't matter.
I'm prepared to be banned if that's what's gonna happen. I'm not just gonna sit back and watch the mods upset all the positive members.
Being a part of the moderator community, I apologize on our behalf that we have upset the positive members.
That said, we are all entitled to our own opinions. Good, bad, neutral. Eh. It really doesn't matter what we think. And BEING that it doesn't matter what we think, members should not begin attacking each other to prove what they think is right, above all else.
That has happened, yes. We have done our best to fix it.
I have been stretched very thin lately. I apologize for not having met your standards. :bum:
Anyway. I'mma go have more cookies. ^_^' And milk. Mmm...
And study. Poo. -_-'
~Echo.
YLuelniaa
24-04-2003, 21:50
i understand you have done your best to fix it..but some of the fixing has failed...
Echoed, don't even start talking about standards. You shouldn't have to meet people's standards on a FORUM, ONLINE. You're here voluntarily and that speaks volumes about effort. I, for one, appreciate what you've done for this forum, regardless of anything going on now.
The forum wouldn't NEED fixing if people would just stop arguing incessently, and blindly.
YLuelniaa : rome wasnt built in a day girl ! you started a thread with some valid points. other valid points were also put forward. the fact that you could put the thread there in the first place does mean _something_ ! look what it accomplished.
you are never going to please everyone all of the time, so the best any of us can do is be respectful with our postings, and if not respectful, then at the very least polite. you are also never going to have 100% of people agreeing with the things you do or say or think, and this applies to every single one of us !
people, im sure we agree that debating is fun, i enjoy it greatly, but it doesnt always have to degenerate into "we know better than you" or "you mods suck" or anything else silly, cause realise, once the insults start to flow, then any other valid points that someone whose busy hurling insults might make, these will be LOST as the focus will be on the silly insulting things which get posted.
so lets try to keep it clean, opinionated but polite, objective but polite, and every other way.
just remember, life would be BORING if everyone agreed with everyone else all of the time, and this forum certainly wouldnt be as interesting either.
the tatu forum is getting so nasty! i changed my avatar just to reflect my attitude towards it now. i'm not going to point any fingers. there's just so much negativity, when i first joined this forum i was ecstatic at how many other big tatu fans there were, and all so enthusiastic. now it's like, who can out debate one another based on tidbits of facts? who can stand up for themselves the best?
i think the focus has been muddled a bit, and a moderate *discussion* of tatu related things has been somewhat skewed. ok hella skewed. *pops advil*
narayana
25-04-2003, 12:17
I do understands your worries, Lux! This is a result of Kiper living TATU and the present state of creativity by TATU as a band. To make in London the concert with 3 English songs is a shame. But who will listen????
Mahatma Gandi was initiated to Kriya Yoga and was breathing ok ... I am so happy for him...
with respect
N*
QueenBee
25-04-2003, 13:30
Well some things change. If they wouldnt change we would be complaining "Like hello its so boring in here, yo!" or something ^_^ If everyone here is smart, which we are.. don't worry, it won't get TOO bad. TATU are growing up and changing, and therefore our opinions are changing and now they are more different. Just like TATU!
EeZeReal
25-04-2003, 13:58
To make in London the concert with 3 English songs is a shame.
Sorry OT: How do you know this?, or are your just assuming there will be only 3 English songs?
I think it's important to realise that just because a person has positive opinions about Tatu, it doesn't have to make this person a blind fan. Being critical has almost become an issue of status in this forum. Being overly critical is in my opinon equal to being an obsessed fan (it's just the other side of the coin), as it implies a frustrated, but nevertheless (too) strong emotional attachment.
All right here it is:
1. This site is a site about group t.A.T.u., neither a pure fan site nor an anti-tatu site.
2. People have the right to express their own opinions. Take it or leave it.
3. It doesn't matter wether the members are obsessed fans or obsessed bashers - as long as their statements are directed to the main subject it's fine. Starting a fight on the forum based on personal believes is prohibited by the rules.
4. The admins and mods are just normal people, with their own preferences those are trying to keep this place run logically and technically.
Thanks for your attention!
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