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fanoff
31-01-2011, 23:00
The contest will take place in Dusseldorf.

Famous boyband Blue will be representing the UK with their new song "I Can". That's a big thing for me as they were so popular in Europe when they kept releasing singles.

Previous winner of the contest Lena will compete again for Germany.

According to a gossip, UK band Hurts submitted a song for Russian selection (wtf?)

Several countries have selected their songs but none of them is worth a second listen.

Tell us what your country has to offer for Eurovision!

My country-Turkey- selected the band Yüksek Sadakat(High Fidelity in English) and the song is still to be announced.

dradeel
01-02-2011, 01:26
On February 12th the finals in Norway will be held, so our contribution will be known then. Also this year an extreme metal band is applying, Susperia, but their song fell out of the first semi finals and are part of the "second chance" knock out. Probably won't make it, so it'll most likely be the generic sappy crap this year as well :p

The metal song isn't that good either. It's toned down. The vocalist doesn't do his normal raspy growling vocals, but sings clean, and the melody is borderline happy metal. I guess they hoped that would make it more likely to win, but meh... Hehe. Listen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEQOUEG1mPs

AshMcAuliffe
01-02-2011, 14:06
Apparently we have the retarded boyband Blue performing for us. Yet another epic UK fail!

fanoff
01-02-2011, 14:40
Hehe. Listen here

Last year Keep Of Kalesin's effort was much better. Some song from two girls called "Ah Oh" is the favourie I guess.

fanoff
01-02-2011, 23:02
I loove a song from Ukranian selection, a girl with a great voice and a piece that may get the title in Dusseldorf.

Zlata Ognevich - Kukushka

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd_N6VsdIuQ

Argos
02-02-2011, 19:50
I loove a song from Ukranian selection, a girl with a great voice and a piece that may get the title in Dusseldorf.

Zlata Ognevich - Kukushka
Unfortunately she isn't yet qualified, the national final is on Feb. 27th and there are other candidates with good chances too. Especially the much better known artists like Jamala (everybody's darling), Anastasiya Prihod'ko (represented Russia two years ago) and Mika Newton with the song Angel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYkylvJOOYI). I wouldn't even exclude the girl group A.R.M.I.A from the favourites list with their song Allo, allo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg3kCbbLINU&NR=1), but they still have problems with the "fine-tuning" of their voices (their plus being more on the dancing side than on the singing skills) although they hired a top lead singer recently for their ESC enterprise.

fanoff
02-02-2011, 20:48
What do you mean by "qualified"? I thought that she qualified to the national final?

I love Jamala's and Prikhodko's songs too but I love Kukushka more :)

And to add a new thing. The national tv would not pay any money to the PR activities of the song. In that case they would like to have someone with money and we know who got more money than any other, that is Prikhodko, in fact she won the Russian national final the same way two year ago.

What about Russian selection? I don't know anything about it.

Argos
02-02-2011, 22:05
I thought that she qualified to the national final?
Yes, of course she is. But she has not won it and with time other artists get better chances (when the artistical value gets less important than the economical one). Well, Prihod'ko isn't very rich, she won Russia's qualification because of her (meanwhile ex-)producer Konstantin Meladze and the wife of the boss of Channel One (Nastya's artistical and executive Star Factory producers). If bribe (main sport in Ukraine!) and advertising plays the dominating role then A.R.M.I.A should be the winner. Producer Yurij Nikitin has five successful girlgroups running (plus Verka Serdyuchka), which brings him more money than any other project of the contest.

I love Jamala's and Prikhodko's songs too but I love Kukushka more :)
Jamala gets really good only late in the song. I think the song is not competitive enough to win. Prihod'ko's song is quite an image change. Not sure if her fans will support her enough.

What about Russian selection? I don't know anything about it.
Insider joke: Russia wants to get into the Guiness Book. On one day they will publish the conditions of participation, make the selection and prepare everything necessary for the departure of the winner to Germany.

fanoff
03-02-2011, 13:28
So much info, thanks Argos! That Armiya is like Ukranian Pussycat Dolls!

I don't think Russia will go for national final, they would choose internally. Who do you think Perviy Kanal would offer to? Could it be Yulia?:D

Argos
03-02-2011, 16:51
I don't think Russia will go for national final, they would choose internally. Who do you think Perviy Kanal would offer to? Could it be Yulia?:DMy last information is this:
ВЕРА, Россия, Пермь | Интерактив | 16:12, 01/02/2011:
Здравствуйте. Скажите, пожалуйста, когда же начнется отбор на Евровидение? В других странах отбор или вовсю идет, или уже прошел. А у нас - мертвая тишина. Или, может быть, отбора не будет? Первый канал сам назначит участника?

Первый канал:
Вера, отбор скоро начнется. О его начале будет сообщено в эфире и на сайте.

Some Vera asked the channel two days ago:
Hello. Tell me please, when will begin the selection of Eurovision? In other countries the selection is either in full motion, or already done. But here - deadly silence. Or, maybe there will be no selection? Channel One will choose the participant on their own?

Channel One:
Vera, the selection will begin soon. There will be a notice about it's beginning on air and on the site.


By the way, an intermediate result of Ukrainian fan votings (http://eurovision.on-1.tv/vote). Moronic...:rolleyes:
El' Kravchuk on No1, do they have bees in the ears? And Zlata far behind! :mad:

fanoff
03-02-2011, 23:32
I read something that there was a cheating on the online voting. They say Jamala's votes are overcounted but who knows.

fanoff
25-02-2011, 13:29
The Polish song is just amazing!and the girl is very beautiful

Magdalena Tul - Jestem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrCLhva9Bks

Argos
26-02-2011, 22:27
Ok, this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlgbTiYq3gE) is Austria's entry, and I swear I didn't vote for her! :bum: At least she wrote this herself.

fanoff
26-02-2011, 23:16
Blah, really boring. Trackshittaz were much much better

Ukraine chose another boring ballad from Mika Newton amongst a good number of interesting acts.

Wanna listen to the Turkish song? We could even win this time from this bunch of garbage.

Yüksek Sadakat - Live It Up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn3E351esUI

Argos
26-02-2011, 23:41
Blah, really boring. Trackshittaz were much much better
Usually I can't bear hip-hop. But "Oida, taunz!" is a masterpiece (of plain nonsense, of course! :D )....and we paranoids are sure that the votings were manipulated. :nunu:
Ukraine chose another boring ballad from Mika Newton amongst a good number of interesting acts.
Mika won because of the SMS votings. She has a huge armada of young fans. Jamala lost because the head of the jury dislikes her and made official statements against her about a week ago. Zlata was too new to gather enough fans. It would have been interesting , if ARMIA could have won, but they cancelled and travelled to South America instead, to the more important contest in Chile, Vina del Mar.
Yüksek Sadakat - Live It Up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn3E351esUI
Probably too tame performance for a rock number.

fanoff
27-02-2011, 00:46
Mika won because of the SMS votings.

She became first in every section. SMS, Internet voting and jury choices. Zlata Ognevich became second in SMS and jury but behind in Internet voting.

Argos
27-02-2011, 11:54
She became first in every section. SMS, Internet voting and jury choices. Zlata Ognevich became second in SMS and jury but behind in Internet voting.
Yes right, but the jury votes were after the fan votes were known, so despite their weight of 45% it wasn't important, they just 'confirmed' the results. The internet voting (10%) was almost a draw between Mika and Jamala, where Zlata was only 7th (un-thanks to the lack of internet presence of the newcomer). The winning margin of Mika in the SMS votes was huge and therefore the winner was determined even before the final show.

For Ukraine as well as for Russia there is a simple rule to have good results in ESC. Get a well known performer with a song which goes to heart (if you don't have something super-duper). This makes people in the (not so different) neighbouring countries vote for you. Zlata could have got more points in the west, but she would have failed in the 'dominion'. There was no reason for the jury to overrule the results of the peoples' choice. The only question was: Is Mika still known in the neighbouring countries, after she was practically absent during the last three years? By the way, her singing performance was by far the best I've ever heard from her.

fanoff
27-02-2011, 12:44
I think the song is ok, and think the same way. It'll be in the final thanks to the voting of neighbouring countries. So WTF about Russia? Did they forget that they have to choose a song :lol:

Argos
27-02-2011, 14:08
So WTF about Russia? Did they forget that they have to choose a song :lol:
Everything is done secretly. It seems that they don't have enough interested parties. Good people have no money for this adventure. We have a few names, but they all are unimportant. There are rumours that the timeline for the handover of the candidates' songs was Feb. 21st, and the Final would be on Mar. 5th, but there is no sign of it on Channel One. There will probably be some ex-Star Factory member still in contract with Channel One, or some wealthy singer like Elena Esenina, Pavla or Pyotr Nalich (last years' embarassment), but there are rumours that Glyuk'oza might be chosen. She released a song these days, Vzmah (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYEUJQ7zZNk), for which there is an English version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf9N_vv7WdE) too (although there are no obvious international ambitions from the singer). But Natasha isn't used to sing live. Another possibility is to invite some Ukrainian with international ambitions, because Russia is in serious lack of young, strong singers. They don't even have great performing acts. Their scene is artistically completely down.

fanoff
27-02-2011, 16:13
Another possibility is to invite some Ukrainian with international ambitions

How I wish it would come true! After last night's disappointment from Ukraine, remaining songs will do it for Russia, especially Zlata Ognevich and Jamala!!

By the way, the Glukoza song is cool! It could be chosen too.

It's said that babushki group which became second last year is invited too.

Blakeich
28-02-2011, 19:02
Everything is done secretly. It seems that they don't have enough interested parties. Good people have no money for this adventure. We have a few names, but they all are unimportant. There are rumours that the timeline for the handover of the candidates' songs was Feb. 21st, and the Final would be on Mar. 5th, but there is no sign of it on Channel One. There will probably be some ex-Star Factory member still in contract with Channel One, or some wealthy singer like Elena Esenina, Pavla or Pyotr Nalich (last years' embarassment), but there are rumours that Glyuk'oza might be chosen. She released a song these days, Vzmah (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYEUJQ7zZNk), for which there is an English version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf9N_vv7WdE) too (although there are no obvious international ambitions from the singer). But Natasha isn't used to sing live. Another possibility is to invite some Ukrainian with international ambitions, because Russia is in serious lack of young, strong singers. They don't even have great performing acts. Their scene is artistically completely down.

I hope it is Glukoza i've really liked her from the beginning.

sakuya
28-02-2011, 19:06
out of tune question but will euro live be availible on iplayer in uk?

fanoff
28-02-2011, 19:26
I just don't even know what iplayer is :lol:

Ukranian final will be repeated with top 3 entries

Zlata Ognevich - The Kukushka
Jamala - Smile
Mika Newton - Angels


Zlataaaaaa!!!!!

Argos
28-02-2011, 19:50
out of tune question but will euro live be availible on iplayer in uk?
Excuse my stupid question, but I don't have any experience with Steve Job's i-pay imperium...Is there any restriction for sound files which makes it impossible to listen to normal files from the net?

Ukranian final will be repeated with top 3 entries
Strange. On the Ukrainian Eurovision page I can't see a word of it. Just that Mr. Savik Shuster counted the votes again and it tells that the results have been confirmed and Mika Newton is the winner.

I reviewed the votes and it shows that Mika won because of the multiple votes. If only one vote per IP or phone number would be allowed, Jamala would have won with huuuge margin (more than Zlata's and Mika's votes together). Well, the modus was known for months and there were no complaints before. So, let's change rules and vote until there is the right result for certain people! :rolleyes:

edit: just found the confirmation http://1tv.com.ua/uk/about/news/2011/02/28/3929 Ok. Thursday 21:30, one vote per phone number during the broadcast of the 'Superfinal'. Congrats Jamala for the victory! :rolleyes:

fanoff
28-02-2011, 23:17
Congrats Jamala for the victory!

I so want Zlata to win it, otherwise go to Russia to represent them. I just want The Kukushka on the ESC stage.

Argos
28-02-2011, 23:38
I so want Zlata to win it, otherwise go to Russia to represent them. I just want The Kukushka on the ESC stage.
She has no chance. Just to show you the results of the competition with the new rules (only SMS votes with unique phone numbers):

Jamala 6365
Ognevich 3906
Newton 1996

The 'superfinal' is totally made for Jamala. She has many admirers everywhere in the Ukraine, but not so many really dedicated fans as Mika and Zlata have. The elimination of the multiple voting gives them no chance to succeed. We'll see if she can motivate the voters from the neighbouring countries, where she isn't really well known, way too exotic. And in the West or the Balkans Zlata and Mika would probably get more points anyway, both being way more mainstream.

fanoff
28-02-2011, 23:51
Didn't Mika have more fans? Anyway I know Jamala lovers are everywhere but the voice is too disturbing:) Zlata has a better song and a better voice and a better face and a better body, which means she should represent Ukraine :D Let's hope this scandal gives her a recognition and makes her steal the votes of Jamala.

Argos
01-03-2011, 00:08
Didn't Mika have more fans?
Ok, lets find a definition for 'fan'. Jamala with her many different SMS voters had on average 1.7 votes per single phone number. Zlata's fans voted about 5 times per fan, and Mika far more than 14. They spent a fortune to make Mika win, that's fandom. This made the Jamala fraction claim that Mika cheated, but that's nonsense, she 'breeded' her fans over months. To compare - let's look at their twitter entries. Jamala has about 250, not a single one from herself, nothing personal, just Jamala is coming here and there, article links, TV shows etc. Zlata had about 400 entries, everything from her personally and with heart so to speak. Mika had almost 1000 personal entries and her fans get to know almost everything of her daily life.
Zlata has a better song and a better voice and a better face and a better body, which means she should represent Ukraine :D
Zlata would have brought Ukraine much recognition and a good result. The song is artistically very good, her singing is amazing, her character is very charming, but in Ukraine there is always this mess with the ESC, and rarely the best decisions.

Haha, it's getting ridiculous. The Mika Newton fraction addressed the president and the prime minister with a petition (http://www.onlinepetition.ru/eurovision11/petition.html). No Ukrainian selection without scandal, without involvement of the political leaders....:rolleyes:

sakuya
01-03-2011, 02:52
Excuse my stupid question, but I don't have any experience with Steve Job's i-pay imperium...Is there any restriction for sound files which makes it impossible to listen to normal files from the net?

lol. I meant http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/ :)

fanoff
01-03-2011, 17:45
Congrats Jamala for the victory!

Jamala refused to compete for the "superfinal". Mika and Zlata will be competing for the title. I would not be surprised if mika won it again.

Argos
01-03-2011, 18:37
Jamala refused to compete for the "superfinal". Mika and Zlata will be competing for the title. I would not be surprised if mika won it again.
I don't believe anything any more! :bebebe: But iffffff the superfinal takes place, then Zlata will go!

Ok, I owe you what I know so far from Russia. There are a few names, I already told. Buranovskie Babushki may participate, but I couldn't verify. Other names seem for sure, that is:
Vladimir Devyatov with a song of the famous (in Russia, of course :D )composer Kim Brejtburg - Gulyaj, Rossiya! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53dgrH1GCLg)
Jennie Moz-Art - Something For Your Soul (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPX-T3y68Kk)
and...
ta-ta-taaa - for real:
Glyuk'oza - High Sign (see my post above (http://forum.tatysite.net/showpost.php?p=395760&postcount=19)). The facts were given by "Ekspress Gazeta", not a very reliable source, but the article was published on her own homepage, so no doubt about the authenticity. The song was written by Günter Graf (Germany), who is her manager for her international career start. Natasha should try the German selection, but Lena Maier-Landrut was determined without selection. In January Danish officials came with the proposal for participating with her song on their selection during her holidays in Miami and she didn't take it serious. When home the Danish side requested the official application, but she rejected and decided for the selection in Russia.

March 5th as the day of announcement seems to be true, too. So, let's wait until weekend!

fanoff
01-03-2011, 22:43
Zlata is super and deserves to go!!!

Among the Russian finalists I want Gulyaj Rossiya to go, pure fun!! Jennie and Glukoza are good too.

edit: Zlata also withdrew from the selection. Mika is the winner. Is it true that Jamala crew are in contacts with Russian television? If it is, what are her chances to be selected?

Argos
02-03-2011, 18:19
Among the Russian finalists I want Gulyaj Rossiya to go, pure fun!! Jennie and Glukoza are good too.
Everything below ESC quality demands. Devyatov would look quite lame, if you take away his group (there is a limitation of people on stage at the contest), the song isn't exactly what makes people mad, and he is deadly boring himself. Jennie is nice, but oh so amateurish and Glyuk'oza can't sing well. Russia needs people like Nyusha, Lazarev, Roma Kenga or at least a good singer like Savicheva or Sogdiana, all of them well known around and capable to represent Russia in a high format international competition, everything else is just waste of time and money.
edit: Zlata also withdrew from the selection. Mika is the winner.
I've read both Jamala's (http://jamalamusic.com/#/news) as well as Zlata's (http://www.zlatao.com/news/732.php) announcements on their homepages. Seems that nobody is interested in another competition. While Jamala openly accuses some people to make money out of a self-created scandal and doesn't want to have anything to do with those people, Zlata conveniently hurt her leg, so she can't perform until Ukraine has to announce their competitor to the EBU - ouch Zlata, I can feel your pain!
Is it true that Jamala crew are in contacts with Russian television? If it is, what are her chances to be selected?
I heard of a petition of Jamala fans to Channel One. I don't think there are negotiations. Whatever, the only Ukrainians, who could save the honour of Russia, would be the "Singing Panties". :laugh:

fanoff
02-03-2011, 21:16
Jamala denied that she is negotiating with Russian channel on her twitter.

Blakeich
03-03-2011, 01:02
X Factor Twins John and Edward = Jedward are singing for Ireland in this years Eurovision song contest with their song lipsick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6JPGDV_wsU&feature=related

Argos
03-03-2011, 19:09
X Factor Twins John and Edward = Jedward are singing for Ireland in this years Eurovision song contest with their song lipsick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6JPGDV_wsU&feature=related
Well...ehm...good luck, they need it! :bum:

Latest (maybe last) gossip from the rumour mill of the Russian selection. Aleksej Vorob'yov aka Alex Sparrow (LMFAO) has been chosen. The singer has signed a contract this year with RedOne ( the Moroccan producer of a decently known American artist who ecstasizes her fans with highly philosophical song texts like "Rah-rah-ah-ah-ah! Roma-Roma-ma-ah! Ga-ga-ooh-la-la!") and people say that some coins changed position to get Aleksej to Düsseldorf. Wonder if there's anything true about it... :spy:

fanoff
03-03-2011, 19:42
Alex Sparrow is looking super hot, wish i had a body like him. Is he well-known in Russia?

Argos
03-03-2011, 20:16
Is he well-known in Russia?
Not the absolute top league, but well enough, and he is a good performer, looks a bit arrogant sometimes. Cool dancesteps and an almost decent singer.

fanoff
03-03-2011, 20:22
I searched a bit about him and think he is a great performer who can sing well. Good for a Eurovisiion act. Could bring Russia at least a top 5 place again.

This song of him and Zara is very nice.

Dlya Tebya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBfAHDhFnZI

Endri
04-03-2011, 00:10
albanian entry is Aurela Gaçe, one of the most famous Albanian singers and the song was rearranged in the States, in "VILLAGE STUDIOS" and it will be released on March 12.

Argos
05-03-2011, 19:18
Latest (maybe last) gossip from the rumour mill of the Russian selection. Aleksej Vorob'yov aka Alex Sparrow (LMFAO) has been chosen....Wonder if there's anything true about it... :spy:
Well, it was no gossip. On their web site (http://www.1tv.ru/sprojects_edition/si5759/fi7996) the channel made the announcement. The song is called "Get You" and has been written by RedOne. It will be presented for the first time on March 12th at the premiere of the show "Star Factory - Comeback" on Channel One of course.

fanoff
05-03-2011, 19:53
Good for Russia!! Will come back to top 5 again!!

Blakeich
05-03-2011, 20:33
my question is....why the hell is Redone producing for Eurovision? Isnt he a bit past that?

Argos
05-03-2011, 22:21
my question is....why the hell is Redone producing for Eurovision? Isnt he a bit past that?
He isn't producing for ESC, he is doing it for an upcoming international career of Alex Sparrow, for whom the contest is a good starting point. He allegedly wrote the whole album with him, which comes out in May (coincidence?).

fanoff
06-03-2011, 13:24
Here is the Russian song, actually in English :)

Alex Sparrow - Get You
http://www.zshare.net/audio/874454767928ef39/

I like it, easy listening and catchy at the same time. Russia sould come back to top 5, might even win the whole thing.

Argos
06-03-2011, 17:08
Alex Sparrow - Get You
http://www.zshare.net/audio/874454767928ef39/
Hey thanks! I can so imagine him stepping and stomping around - could be fun.

sakuya
12-03-2011, 21:31
UK entry. Blue - I can (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdKvbdwS5X8)
Song is typical boy-band-love-song structure thing. In this case I like it. And I love blue. Reminds me of teen years. :)

Endri
13-03-2011, 19:12
What do you think about this one? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSIlmJlB3SY)

fanoff
17-03-2011, 21:19
To me it's Albania's worst entry in Eurovision along with the 2006 one.

And I think Azerbaijan song is very good again but Blue or France could get the whle thing.

Argos
17-03-2011, 21:34
I owe you the first performance of Russia's entry a few days ago in 'Star Factory - Comeback', you know - the birdman...
Get You (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uSPBAPfqQg)
Really not impressed - village disco - pffft!

fanoff
17-03-2011, 21:42
I predict a top 5 position for Russia. Good looking fellow and an average song plus the country is Russia.

Endri
17-03-2011, 22:09
To me it's Albania's worst entry in Eurovision along with the 2006 one.

And I think Azerbaijan song is very good again but Blue or France could get the whle thing.

I agree that the 2006 entry was the worst. This song is in the same style, but I like it much better. I hope It will make it to go to the final night :ill:

fanoff
17-03-2011, 23:35
Among this year's songs I like Latvia's song the best. I also like Poland(Robbie where are you? :D), Germany, Bosnia & Herzegovina. Russia, France, UK(Blue's song is not that impressive but a clear favourite),Azerbaijan,Denmark,Estonia and Ireland comes after.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVH8lwmeQF0

fanoff
09-05-2011, 09:59
Here comes the Eurovision week, tomorrow night is the first semi final! Let us know which countries will pass!!

fanoff
09-05-2011, 12:23
For the first semi I think these will make it.


1. Poland Jestem Magdalena Tul
2. Norway Haba haba Stella Mwangi
3. Albania Feel the passion Aurela Gaçe
4. Armenia Boom boom Emmy / Էմմի
5. Turkey Live it up Yüksek Sadakat
7. Russia Get you Алексей Воробьёв
10. Finland Da da dam Paradise Oskar
14. Iceland Coming home Sjonni's Friends
18. Azerbaijan Running scared Eldar & Nigar
19. Greece Watch my dance Loukas Giorkas feat. Stereo Mike


From second semi this is my prediction before the show


1. Bosnia & Herzegovina Love in rewind Dino Merlin
2. Austria The secret is love Nadine Beiler
8. Sweden Popular Eric Saade
12. Israel Ding dong Dana International
13. Slovenia No one Maja Keuc
14. Romania Change Hotel FM
15. Estonia Rockefeller Street Getter Jaani
17. Latvia Angel in disguise Musiqq
18. Denmark New tomorrow A Friend in London
19. Ireland Lipstick Jedward

Argos
10-05-2011, 21:53
For the first semi I think these will make it.


1. Poland Jestem Magdalena Tul
2. Norway Haba haba Stella Mwangi
3. Albania Feel the passion Aurela Gaçe
4. Armenia Boom boom Emmy / Էմմի
5. Turkey Live it up Yüksek Sadakat
7. Russia Get you Алексей Воробьёв
10. Finland Da da dam Paradise Oskar
14. Iceland Coming home Sjonni's Friends
18. Azerbaijan Running scared Eldar & Nigar
19. Greece Watch my dance Loukas Giorkas feat. Stereo Mike
Mostly agreed, although some of them showed quite weak vocal performances. I was positively surprised by Russia, a far better performance than his TV premiere. And Georgia, despite the thin voice of the singer looked quite good too. Greece showed a very good act too, unfortunately their rapper was weak.

Overall there was a huge sea of mediocrity. None of the participants showed themselves as possible winners. Albania, Turkey, Russia, Georgia, Hungary and Greece made the most positive impression on me. The Rotten Tomato goes to Lithuania. That was cruel, as well as Serbia, especially the outfits of the ladies.

edit:
the finalists are:

Serbia
Lithuania (oh horror!)
Greece
Azerbaijan
Georgia
Switzerland
Hungary
Finland (meeeh....:bum: )
Russia
Iceland

No Turkey, who were not bad at all, no Albania with a very good singer... :(

Blakeich
10-05-2011, 22:36
Mostly agreed, although some of them showed quite weak vocal performances. I was positively surprised by Russia, a far better performance than his TV premiere. And Georgia, despite the thin voice of the singer looked quite good too. Greece showed a very good act too, unfortunately their rapper was weak.

Overall there was a huge sea of mediocrity. None of the participants showed themselves as possible winners. Albania, Turkey, Russia, Georgia, Hungary and Greece made the most positive impression on me. The Rotten Tomato goes to Lithuania. That was cruel, as well as Serbia, especially the outfits of the ladies.

edit:
the finalists are:

Serbia
Lithuania (oh horror!)
Greece
Azerbaijan
Georgia
Switzerland
Hungary
Finland (meeeh....:bum: )
Russia
Iceland

No Turkey, who were not bad at all, no Albania with a very good singer... :(

I cannot believe that Norway didnt get in.

spyretto
11-05-2011, 03:32
Watching the rerun on the BBC -as I missed the live coverage earlier- and it looks cheap, where are the big productions, the big dresses, the big performances of bygone years? The songs were always crap but there was something interesting to watch on stage at least. But this year it doesn't look good so far. Looks unimaginative. Mediocrity is indeed the word...hopefully things will pick up for the final.

I thought Albania was good compared to what I heard so far, surprised they didn't make it...as for Norway I think African music doesn't normally cut it in the contest.

I liked Azerbaijan, Turkey, Greece - for which I didn't think much of before but compared to others it was a standout performance - Albania -shame that it didn't qualify, very poor decision; mostly the ones that didn't make it. Iceland was ok for that style but Finland wasn't. Serbia was terrible, especially the faux 50's concept. Russia, well, the performance was ok but it's not my kind of song. Lithuania was something like a poor Celine Dion from something like 30 years ago. :bum:
There were lots of rubbish pop songs, overall, much less variety, the folk/ethnic element seems to be disappearing altogether which is a shame.

So France is like the huge favourite to win the contest?, I haven't even listened to their song. I have been particularly slow in catching up this year. I only listened to Blue and the Greek song before tonight :o

So if France doesn't win this year who's gonna be? Every other song gives fantastic odds for betting, for example the UK pay 11/1 and they're 3rd favourites! Azerbaijan 2nd favourites, 9/1. Any predictions?

spyretto
11-05-2011, 03:46
and can somebody tell me why is Italy back in the contest with a song sung in English (ENGLISH? Italian is THE language for song... are they insane? )
And how can Germany send the same girl who won last year - is that even allowed?

Eurovision has surely gone mad!

PS.

wow, I can't see how France will lose this year, the guy is like the new Andrea Bocelli. And Corsican sound pretty much like Italian. The bookies always know where to put their money on.

As for Lena from Germany..I thought the first 30 seconds were weird and then it was boring after a minute or so...not good, if one can't tolerate the 3 minutes of a Eurovision song which is supposed to be lighthearted material...she will finally be exposed for the mediocrity that she is this time around ;)

fanoff
12-05-2011, 09:08
Everyone should be happy that Turkey is not in the final :)

spyretto
12-05-2011, 16:29
I'll be happier if Sweden fail to make it too, they're getting worse every year. Surely that rubbish they sent this year is not good enough for the final, even if gay boy starts spitting fire from his lungs on the night.

How can this be favourite for the final? What is the matter with you :D

I like Italy's song, it's something like Germany would have sent in previous years but done with more emotion and gusto. Not sure if jazz would cut it for the contest though.

I like France to win, the UK, Ireland, SLOVENIA and Italy so far :)
Totally different geography to what we're used to

Argos
12-05-2011, 16:40
Everyone should be happy that Turkey is not in the final
I repeat myself.
Probably too tame performance for a rock number.
Told ya. Doesn't work this way in such a competition.
Albania -shame that it didn't qualify, very poor decision
Was one of the best.
Serbia was terrible, especially the faux 50's concept.
Just sick decision!
Lithuania was something like a poor Celine Dion from something like 30 years ago.

Our commentator said: she even used sign language - more to keep her hands from going to sleep.

Finlands bard was a shame too. And the winner will be ... a rich country.

spyretto
12-05-2011, 21:51
Ireland song? those boys were hardly singing at all, more like jumping around :lol:
Dana international? that dude can no longer sing, must be the plastic surgeries then, far too many. Swedish boy was out of tune during his whole performance.

Guess what, they will all qualify.

Shambolic sound engineering from those dastardly guys in Dusseldorf.

Argos
12-05-2011, 21:58
Day 2 is over and not really more highlights. My compatriot from Austria had probably the best vocal performance, but the song is awful, and the stage 'work' wasn't good at all. The best stage performance had Cyprus, but with a mediocre song and the singing wasn't remarkable, too. Belarus had a really good song, but the singer was very weak. The only act I saw above average with song, stage performance as well as singing, was Estonia, although not extraordinary.

The disgrace of the contest was Ireland. The song was infantile, their stage appearance simply ridiculous and the back singers were several degrees better than the 'soloists'. Mika Newton from Ukraine was disappointing too. Way too much 'hard work' . She did it much better on the national qualification.

Moldova was of course the most entertaining act, loved their performance, although I have to confess that I am Zdob-si-Zdub-pre-ruined :D . From the promo tour I learned to know the Macedonian singer Vlatko, who had a cultivated drunken stupor then and misbehaved enchantingly. Well, at the ESC performance I couldn't get rid of the impression that he was rather bottled too. A big yippieee for him! My personal vote was for Bulgaria - the playback track was played by my friends and (almost) neighbours, the rock group 'Krautschaedel', and part of the composers were Austrian acquaintances too.

The finalists of the second round:

Estonia
Romania
Moldova
Ireland
Bosnia & Herzegovina
Denmark
Austria
Ukraine
Slovenia
Sweden

spyretto
12-05-2011, 23:08
People are already talking about Bulgaria not qualifying due to partisan voting. If you take away its neighbours there aren't that many who would vote for them, the performance was probably one of the better ones on the night.

Yeah, more or less I would agree with your reflections Argos, I actually liked Slovenia too but I expected a more powerful performance vocally, at least she sounds much more powerful on the record. I was thinking perhaps that Austria wouldn't qualify exactly for the same reasons ( great vocals but poor song ) and also because Slovenia with their ballad would qualify instead. At the end they both qualified.
Ireland? the song is undoubtedly bubblegum catchy but surely you can't qualify on the basis of your backing vocalists doing all the singing.

Again, I wasn't disappointed by the songs I have liked so far, Slovenia was okay-ish and the UK and France and Italy will be checked in the final. I liked the song and stage presence of Estonia as well but they will have to improve their vocals.

In all, the vocals are far from being a strong point in this year's competition.

Zdob-si-Zdub? I expected a much much better song from them but then again they made the final so my thoughts are mixed. Definitely not a good song imo...and tried my best to like it.

spyretto
13-05-2011, 06:22
not everybody in the UK is an arrogant bastard, Blue's song is great and they can definitely sing live...I will be rooting for them in the final and my bet is for them to make the Top 5 @ odds of 2.30.

Argos
13-05-2011, 20:00
I actually liked Slovenia too...
Forgot them in my quick summary. Of course it was quite good compared to the rest, although a bit more 'performance' would be nice.
Zdob-si-Zdub? I expected a much much better song from them but then again they made the final so my thoughts are mixed. Definitely not a good song imo...
They are not exactly at home in that kind of genre, and they are rarely famous about what songs they create, but how they present on stage, and that's always worth watching.
In all, the vocals are far from being a strong point in this year's competition.
Yes. One of the vocally really poor competitions, but not only that. We will have in the finals...
...only a few top singers
...rarely creative stage outfits
...very few interesting stage performances
...no hit songs (not even good arrangements).

It seems that the ESC people want to drown the competition in boredom. :bum:

fanoff
13-05-2011, 21:49
I'm gonna put my top 10 prediction in Tukish and English in parenthesis at the ones I don't think you'll understand :D

1-İngiltere (UK)
2-Azerbaycan
3-İrlanda
4-Bosna Hersek
5-Danimarka
6-Fransa
7-Rusya
8-İsveç (Sweden)
9-Slovenya
10-Almanya (Germany)

spyretto
14-05-2011, 00:51
They are not exactly at home in that kind of genre, and they are rarely famous about what songs they create, but how they present on stage, and that's always worth watching.



Yes. You're right. The hats :coctail:
The song is kinda growing on me now, especially the trumpets part, though I find it less "musical" than what they gave us 2-3 years ago, which was probably the highlight of the whole show.
That's why I was slightly disappointed.

Not my prediction but my top 10 personal favourites:

1. United Kingdom
2. France
3. Estonia
4. Slovenia
5. Italy
6. Azerbaijan
7. Moldova
8. Greece
9. Ireland ( the song, not the performance which was terrible )
10. Bosnia H

and I also liked Bulgaria and Albania which didn't qualify.

Lets see how Blue do, they're cool, down-to-earth guys who have taken the whole thing seriously. They're well-known in Europe and they can also sing live. I think their song is one of the best I've heard in Eurovision for a while and deserves to win this year; whether they do it, it's another matter. They probably won't but a position in the top 3 would be respectable.



Yes. One of the vocally really poor competitions, but not only that. We will have in the finals...
...only a few top singers
...rarely creative stage outfits
...very few interesting stage performances
...no hit songs (not even good arrangements).

It seems that the ESC people want to drown the competition in boredom. :bum:

We're in recession so I guess it had to be expected. Also the Eastern European entries are not as strong as in previous years, especially in stage presence.

spyretto
14-05-2011, 07:33
from another forum

have to say the band from moldova is one of the most recognizable alternative bands from eastern europe in the last 15 years; i think they've gained more success than any other 2011 eurovision contestant, including lena, blue and dana international by performing on several biggest open air rock festivals across europe (especially eastern europe, you can't be a music fan here and not know this band)
if it wasn't the worst song in their entire career a top 5 would be safe (they already finished 5th when they represented moldova for the first time and were less known)

I share that sentiment exactly.

this is me from another forum, this is EXACTLY what I think about the UK and ESC situation:

Also: the jury WILL go for a GOOD song and their song is the best composition of the whole competition, unless you'd like to dispute that.
I'm more worried about how the voting in the former Soviet bloc will go for them than the jury...and the fact that the UK traditionally doesn't get much love ( but lets face it, the stuff they've been sending in the last 10 years are what I would describe as musical turd...even the Lloyd Webber ballad they sent that made the top 5 was dire. They have been getting what they deserve and so rightfully we are getting our backside beaten to a pulp. Because the people who watch Eurovision over here are mostly idiots... Now they're clueless again, writing Blue off and talking about the "Jedward revolution". If it wasn't for the internal voting Blue would have never been in ESC, they would have voted for yet another musical turd to represent them. )

But now as we're finally sending a good song at last and a band that are down-to-earth guys who respect the competition and have showed no arrogance at all in spite of their fame I'm standing behind their song.

spyretto
14-05-2011, 08:23
Some people at the dress rehearsal are reporting that Blue were rubbish, is it true? Jury voting is decided upon that rehearsal, apparently.

Interesting...

Argos
14-05-2011, 12:17
... the jury WILL go for a GOOD song ...
Heavy doubts on that. Professional juries don't prefer songs with artistical value. Statistics don't support this (obvious) assumption. If there is a clear bias at all, then it's one towards 'conservative' performances - strictly in the format of the competition. Outsiders are to some degree handicapped (maybe that's the reason for the heavy increase of uninspired mediocrity of this year's entries - desperate courting the professionals' favour...).
... and their song is the best composition of the whole competition, unless you'd like to dispute that.
Let's see if there are enough girlies to vote! :D It doesn't throw me out of my socks, but that's the same with all the others too. However, if the prime minister of the UK told the EBU president that they are willing to host the next competition, then their chances are splendid. Of course I'm sure about an honest and correct voting! :laugh:

...and I am disappointed by your lack of support for your Greeks! :bebebe:

spyretto
14-05-2011, 18:29
Let's see if there are enough girlies to vote! :D It doesn't throw me out of my socks, but that's the same with all the others too. However, if the prime minister of the UK told the EBU president that they are willing to host the next competition, then their chances are splendid. Of course I'm sure about an honest and correct voting! :laugh:

...and I am disappointed by your lack of support for your Greeks! :bebebe:


Girlies? You meant to say housewives, because girlies will be voting for Sweden and Ireland, so no room for Blue I'm afraid.
In any case, this is one point we disagree on, I'm not a girly and I like the song a lot.

Greece? Greece is right up there in the top 10, in fact I usually never like Greece, the only ones I have liked genuinely in the past few years was Kalomoira - don't think of her much as a singer but she's got the rest - and Antique ( Antique, not Paparizou, I'd Die For You which should have won in 2001 but some crappy song from Estonia won instead. )
The Greece leading vocalist is very strong and although the rapper sucks, this is probably the reason they took it to the final, it wouldn't have made if it was just a folk song done in Greek. I've heard those "laika" songs in all their different variations and guises, and this song is only saved by the performance. Plus I don't like mixing two completely different musical styles in a bad way. Cyprus on Thursday tried to do what we call "entechno" and failed miserably in spite of the standout gimmicks. So this type of music doesn't work for ESC, we know it and they know it.

Ireland went from 55 to 5.6 on the odds, so apparently if this is what they like let them have it. I'm going to redo my list due to Bosnia being particularly crappy and Ireland being particularly annoying. So I'm adding Austria instead which is a respectable - albeit trite offering, very well executed though:
So:

1. UK
2. France
3. Estonia
4. Slovenia
5. Italy
6. Azerbaijan
7. Moldova
8. Greece
9. Austria
10. Ireland

Blue and the Olympics, as we say Paparizou and the Olympics. Will it do what it did to Greece, bringing them to the verge of bankruptcy? Only time will tell!
Once the party's over you have to do the cleaning of the mess, you know.

That song resembling music for the morgue from Germany is up there with the favourites, I have a feeling I will be turning off the tv set in disgust halfway through the voting. You gotta be kidding me, if that song makes the top 5. All in all, things are heading for a very bad collision if what the bookies think happens tonight.

They did the first criminal act by keeping Albania and Bulgaria out of the final, they're to complete the murder of the competition tonight

spyretto
14-05-2011, 21:52
Blue can win this shit now, the only decent performances vocally were the Austrian girl, the Irish were much better than in the semi... and...surprise surprise : Lena, who was doing an outstanding job with the crappy song she had. the French guy was nervous, out of tune, and sweating as a pig...I had a bit of a feeling he would falter after I saw him in the interview yesterday but didn't imagine how bad it would be. But what a surprise anyway.

Only the jury vote can save him.

Argos
14-05-2011, 22:21
When it comes to vocal abilities then I wouldn't be proud of Blue. They were weak too, especially in the first half of the song, Lee is the name of the main destroyer, I guess. The whole thing wasn't impressive to me. France was awful, not only out of tune, his vibratos were annoying as well. Spain was another disappointment. Weak singing, a brainless choreography with stupid hand-waving and disorientated moving around. Lena for Germany, although not gifted with a stong voice, did remarkably great, absolutely cool performance. I loved the Italian performance. Great musical work with virtuosity and appealing arrangement.

From those, we have already seen I can't say that they improved considerably, except as you said, Spy, Ireland. Doesn't change my honest disliking of that act.. Besides Italy and Germany I liked most Estonia, Greece, Moldova and Georgia. And about my compatriot Nadine: who wants to see a winning howling wet mop accompanied by widows of a Greek tragedy?

And because ESC rarely meets my taste the most likely winners will be UK, Ireland or Sweden :bum: !

spyretto
14-05-2011, 22:58
I guess I got it wrong this year though I predicted that Azerbaijan could win in another forum. Anything but Sweden will do :lol:

The Italian was a real artist, he wanted to sit and play his piano live but wasn't allowed, nobody told him that he's not supposed to close his eyes during the performance.

Azerbaijan was ok-ish and the Ukraine would be a standout performance if she wasn't forcing it. Her vocals were annoying Still not a problem when it comes to the voting for them.

With the lack of a decent song from Eastern Europe they were pretty exposed because they didn't know who to go for. It's still open between 3-4 countries and I have to say that I'm disappointed at the whole thing.

I don't think I will be watching next year.

Argos
14-05-2011, 23:02
I guess I got it wrong this year though I predicted that Azerbaijan could win in another forum. Anything but Sweden will do :lol:
Azerbaijan doesn't have the money for hosting, so Sweden will win.

spyretto
14-05-2011, 23:08
Azerbaijan doesn't have the money for hosting, so Sweden will win.

Don't worry they'll get help from their friends who voted for them. Nice song, lacking performance.

spyretto
14-05-2011, 23:15
Italy is catching up, can a real song win?

Argos
14-05-2011, 23:18
Ok, it's over. Next party in Baku.

spyretto
14-05-2011, 23:31
oh well, perhaps next year the Azerbaijanis will finally learn how to sing their song properly cause those vocals at the end were embarrassing. But well done to them.

spyretto
15-05-2011, 11:05
It's a better idea if they divide the semis between East and West instead of all those restrictions they have currently imposed and get 10 songs from each "bloc," then in the final we'll have a fairer representation of Europe. And for that they will have to do away with the "big 5" nonsense or add Russia to make it big 6 and get the winner of the previous year to automatically qualify. The basis of having 5 big rich Western European countries going straight to the final is fundamentally wrong. Italy was out of the competition for 14 years, they couldn't be bothered and then you qualify them automatically?
So I would propose:

1)Divide Europe into 2 blocs for the semi's , one Eastern and "Asian" countries, the other West and Scandinavia and lift ALL restrictions with regards to voting - except for the own country restriction of course.
2)Do away with the big 5 concept or if that is not possible for the contest to be viable, add Russia and the winner of the previous year to automatically qualify. Russia is a rich country, yes?
3) Keep the same format for the final, let them do their neighbouring voting, it would be embarrassing for them to see a top 10 comprised of all the Eastern countries in the final, and they will eventually mend their ways, especially if we make the "big 5" thing more fair for the Eastern Europe
4) get rid of the nonsense jury voting, it was a load of bollocks in the first place. It's a democracy, let the people of Europe decide again.

Now is that Lithuanian guy still around to pass him my recommendations?

Another thing, it would be interesting to see how they can stop this from being a karaoke show, I mean you don't have to have a big orchestra but if the Italian guy wants to play his piano, let him. It's embarrassing to see air guitars and air pianos in the contest

Argos
15-05-2011, 18:10
It's a better idea if they divide the semis between East and West instead of all those...
Not so easy to draw the line between east and west. Both sides should have the same amount of countries, but it doesn't solve the problem of the minority/migrant voting in neighbouring countries. Russia would benefit on cost of it's neighbours, for example.
... having 5 big rich Western European countries going straight to the final is fundamentally wrong.
Completely unacceptable, if we talk about fairness and equality. But who would pay the bills, if there were not this foul trade-off?
...get rid of the nonsense jury voting...
The jury voting should correct a few flaws of the public voting: reducing the chance to cheat the audience with cheap show effects instead of quality, reduce the effect of neighbour/minority/foreign worker voting, give good singers a better chance.

Well, in reality nothing has changed for the better. This year saw the biggest amount of block voting of all time. Good singers were rare because they already knew from the last 2 ESCs that good singing doesn't get you more points from the jury. The good singers were hopelessly behind. What the jury voting brought: good singers are less, interesting show performances are less, mainstream pop gets the bigger points (no wonder, jury members are mainstream pop people), neighbour voting has increased in west and central Europe.
It's embarrassing to see air guitars and air pianos in the contest
Chease pop and live instruments - sit down and reconsider! :laugh:

Well, I made some statistics and there are a few interesting results.
- In a west-only voting Ireland would have won.
- The ranking of the western as well as that of the eastern side of Europe each had 7 of their own among their top 10.
- The UK entry though was more favoured in central and eastern Europe.
- There's a clear sign of political voting in the west. Except for Azerbaijan (swedish song) and Moldova (more considered Romanian than Russian) the ex- Soviet countries had the last places in western votes, without counting Switzerland, which got into the mud too.
- the ex-Soviet countries 'boycotted' the Balkans. Never before seen so few points from them.

Another observation concerns the foreign workers votings. Turkey got into a semifinal group where they could not get points from the rich countries, where many Turkish workers live. Consequently they had no chance to reach the final with their not so ESC-fit candidate. Bosnia on the other hand could draw on opulent ressources. 57% of their semi-final points (and 48% of the final) came from their guest countries.

spyretto
15-05-2011, 19:57
Not so easy to draw the line between east and west. Both sides should have the same amount of countries, but it doesn't solve the problem of the minority/migrant voting in neighbouring countries. Russia would benefit on cost of it's neighbours, for example.

Yeah but I don't think there will be a problem for them to solve out their differences between themselves, on the contrary it's gonna be just fine, I reckon. It's the Western countries who are bitching the most. As for drawing the line, we can just use geography. So, for instance, Greece's old motto "we belong to the West" is not gonna cut it for Eurovision, they will be the Easterners. :p
It's also gonna be interesting to get the best of the East v the best of the West in the final. It'll be a bit like a boxing fight, a bit like the playoffs in American sports, East v West ;)
Do you think the current pool system, with its fascist-like restrictions does a better job? Who can't vote for what? To me it looks like a total joke.

Completely unacceptable, if we talk about fairness and equality. But who would pay the bills, if there were not this foul trade-off?

The jury voting should correct a few flaws of the public voting: reducing the chance to cheat the audience with cheap show effects instead of quality, reduce the effect of neighbour/minority/foreign worker voting, give good singers a better chance.

Well, in reality nothing has changed for the better. This year saw the biggest amount of block voting of all time. Good singers were rare because they already knew from the last 2 ESCs that good singing doesn't get you more points from the jury. The good singers were hopelessly behind. What the jury voting brought: good singers are less, interesting show performances are less, mainstream pop gets the bigger points (no wonder, jury members are mainstream pop people), neighbour voting has increased in west and central Europe.

Chease pop and live instruments - sit down and reconsider! :laugh:

Well, I made some statistics and there are a few interesting results.
- In a west-only voting Ireland would have won.
- The ranking of the western as well as that of the eastern side of Europe each had 7 of their own among their top 10.
- The UK entry though was more favoured in central and eastern Europe.
- There's a clear sign of political voting in the west. Except for Azerbaijan (swedish song) and Moldova (more considered Romanian than Russian) the ex- Soviet countries had the last places in western votes, without counting Switzerland, which got into the mud too.
- the ex-Soviet countries 'boycotted' the Balkans. Never before seen so few points from them.

Another observation concerns the foreign workers votings. Turkey got into a semifinal group where they could not get points from the rich countries, where many Turkish workers live. Consequently they had no chance to reach the final with their not so ESC-fit candidate. Bosnia on the other hand could draw on opulent ressources. 57% of their semi-final points (and 48% of the final) came from their guest countries.

Interesting reflections. I haven't given it much thought but to me your reflections tend to showcase that the West/East thing is not such a bad idea. I'm talking about the semis only of course, the final has to be untouched...as for the big 5, yeah it's preposterous but what do you think of the idea of adding Russia to the biggies and getting the winner of the previous year reinstated back into the final? It's gonna be from Eastern Europe most of the time anyway, so that will balance things up a little bit, will it not?
As for the jury: what is the point of "correcting" what the public thinks? To me it seems standoffish, and arrogant, if the public likes something because it's got flashing lights, let them vote for it...give the choice back to the people, this is what it is all about. Juries follow the rehearsals and already have cast their vote before the final night, isn't that a bit rigged? :p
We got our politicians to decide for our lives we don't need them to decide what to vote for Eurovision either. But if you think the juries is a good idea how about reinstating them completely rather than have it half and half?
Cheesy pop and instruments , is what you meant to say? Why not? or , by the same token, why live voices and fake music? Lets do it by playback, then they can mime while doing acrobatics at the same time. It's a musical extravaganza, Argos and I would like to have seen the Italian guy play his piano, or Rybak play his violin, or Ruslana play her tribal drums for real. What's wrong with having some live music back to it?
Let me remind you that this competition used to include live singing and music for a few decades, a jury from each country that would decide upon the voting. We did away with the music, we turned it into a karaoke competition. We did away with the jury but we let the people decide. Now we're bringing the jury back because supposedly we're not fair enough and they can correct us. I don't like it. And we had a kind of elitist show where Eastern Europe - the ones who were participating anyway back in the day - could hardly get a break due to the partisan voting from the West, now we went the other way and the East is taking its revenge on the West...but we still rubbing it off and having the big 5 who all together can't amass enough points to save their lives.

Since we can't stop the political, neighbouring voting lets embrace it totally! It's reverse psychology, my dear.

spyretto
15-05-2011, 20:42
Chease pop and live instruments - sit down and reconsider! :laugh:

Completely optional of course, it makes no difference to have a live drum machine :p
But if you remember, there was a time where they were doing it...it's not always cheesy pop, we had jazz this year, we have had folk winning in the past, I was talking about those cases where the instrument plays a leading part, of course.

Well, I made some statistics and there are a few interesting results.
- In a west-only voting Ireland would have won.
- The ranking of the western as well as that of the eastern side of Europe each had 7 of their own among their top 10.
- The UK entry though was more favoured in central and eastern Europe.
- There's a clear sign of political voting in the west. Except for Azerbaijan (swedish song) and Moldova (more considered Romanian than Russian) the ex- Soviet countries had the last places in western votes, without counting Switzerland, which got into the mud too.
- the ex-Soviet countries 'boycotted' the Balkans. Never before seen so few points from them.

Another observation concerns the foreign workers votings. Turkey got into a semifinal group where they could not get points from the rich countries, where many Turkish workers live. Consequently they had no chance to reach the final with their not so ESC-fit candidate. Bosnia on the other hand could draw on opulent ressources. 57% of their semi-final points (and 48% of the final) came from their guest countries.

-Yeah, Ireland for me would have easily been in the top 3 if it came from Eastern Europe. People would go: wow, how cool, if it came say, from Russia. It was also a Swedish song ;)
-I think the jury voting had a lot to do with that when it comes to that parity. As you said, they favor traditional pop and who does that the most? the West. Normally the West does not collude so blatantly, perhaps even because their musical tastes differ from country to country...see? it's not just political voting. Ireland only gave the UK 6 points and it's been like that almost every year, it's not a given at all that Ireland will vote for the UK or the UK for Ireland. Then we had Zdob si Zdub, another example: the BBC commentators hated it with a passion, that Mills guy was like "you gotta be kidding me x3" when it made the final, Norton was saying "Europe, really?
Then lots of people in the UK simply loved them. You see, musical tastes in such a big, cosmopolitan region like the UK can vary tremendously. What did Norton like instead? Denmark :bum:
- Well, the situation with Balkan and ex-Soviets is volatile, I think. See what happened to Turkey? There's no guarantee that the ex-Soviets will vote for the Balkans or the Balkans for the ex-Soviets.
Actually the Balkan countries seem to suffer a lot due to the new rules, for instance Bulgaria couldn't get much love from anybody. There are many neighbours in the region. Greece on the other hand - which has good ties and diaspora in pretty much everywhere and can do both East and West at the same time - faired pretty well.
- So Bosnia got most of its votes from neutral countries? Strange, considering that the German audience were hating them, booing them every time they got points. I can't imagine the West getting behind such a song, they have their own aging folk singers :p

Argos
15-05-2011, 21:17
It's the Western countries who are bitching the most.
They pay the bills, they want the raisins. Capitalistic thinking.
Greece's old motto "we belong to the West" is not gonna cut it for Eurovision, they will be the Easterners. :p
Eastern mediterranean, according to their voting habits.
It's also gonna be interesting to get the best of the East v the best of the West in the final.
...to me your reflections tend to showcase that the West/East thing is not such a bad idea.
The EBU wanted to overcome all this East vs. West, but with every new rule they make the gap bigger. From that view point an honest East-West competition would make rules simpler and it wouldn't look so hypocritical. And finally we would have equality for the finals.
...as for the big 5, yeah it's preposterous but what do you think of the idea of adding Russia to the biggies and getting the winner of the previous year reinstated back into the final?
The second best solution after completely abandon the participation without qualification. For a while I considered another modus: Drawing lots for the composition of each semifinal, and a negative list for each country (5-6 countries which are not votable, decided by the voting characteristics of the last 3-5 years). This would reduce the influence of neighbour voting or guest workers' voting close to zero. If the west or the east have more qualified in the finals is decided by the performers, not by geography, politics or cultural affinities. Sounds complicated though..
As for the jury: what is the point of "correcting" what the public thinks?
People in charge want control. Complete democracy kills the power of the establishment. The people are already fit for democracy, the leaders not. So simple.
Juries follow the rehearsals and already have cast their vote before the final night, isn't that a bit rigged? :p
That's a technical issue. It would prolong the waiting time until the results are gathered and evaluated, if they judge the actual performance of the competition. The odd thing is of course, they don't decide about a competition, but a rehearsal, which is pure nonsense.
But if you think the juries is a good idea how about reinstating them completely rather than have it half and half?
Completely against. Juries manipulate and cheat. That's a fact. They should not have a voice in the competition. We saw the consequences: a reduction of diversity, creativity and entertainment.
Cheesy pop and instruments , is what you meant to say? Why not? or , by the same token, why live voices and fake music? Lets do it by playback, then they can mime while doing acrobatics at the same time. It's a musical extravaganza, Argos and I would like to have seen the Italian guy play his piano, or Rybak play his violin, or Ruslana play her tribal drums for real. What's wrong with having some live music back to it?
What's wrong? Europe has shown that they don't even have enough good singers for this competition. If you add incompetent musicians, then you will need lots of ear plugs, and by the way - Zdob si zdub would have won in that case. They can really play! :D
We did away with the music, we turned it into a karaoke competition.
The point is: do we want a singing competition, a show performance competition or a music competition? It all depends which direction people want the ESC to go. All we can do is try something, and if it's not accepted, then try something different, until finally (that is: never!!!) everybody is happy with the ESC.

spyretto
15-05-2011, 21:52
They pay the bills, they want the raisins. Capitalistic thinking.

They want more votes, they should tailor their songs to appeal to a larger demographic. Well, Germany found Lena at the end, not bad considering the trite they had been sending previously. Common, what are the UK bitching about, they were sending rubbish after rubbish, year after year while Blue - with their nice song and all, as I said before, my favourite - are a reunited boy band from 2001-2004. Not quite current then is it? A legitimate artist in the UK would simply not do it.

Eastern mediterranean, according to their voting habits.

the Cyprus thing swayed it I reckon :p

The EBU wanted to overcome all this East vs. West, but with every new rule they make the gap bigger. From that view point an honest East-West competition would make rules simpler and it wouldn't look so hypocritical. And finally we would have equality for the finals

they turned it a little bit like politics, a 10% of "the undecided" deciding on the winner every time. So if it's politics, let us be the ones who cast the final vote. :)

People in charge want control. Complete democracy kills the power of the establishment. The people are already fit for democracy, the leaders not. So simple.

They could allow it for the ESC, it's just a yearly song contest at the end of the day.

That's a technical issue. It would prolong the waiting time until the results are gathered and evaluated, if they judge the actual performance of the competition. The odd thing is of course, they don't decide about a competition, but a rehearsal, which is pure nonsense.

Yeah, of course but still they could allow SOME room for last minute alterations, could they not?

Completely against. Juries manipulate and cheat. That's a fact. They should not have a voice in the competition. We saw the consequences: a reduction of diversity, creativity and entertainment.

It'll be a little like going back from democracy to the dark ages..

What's wrong? Europe has shown that they don't even have enough good singers for this competition. If you add incompetent musicians, then you will need lots of ear plugs, and by the way - Zdob si zdub would have won in that case. They can really play! :D

You got me wrong on this one, as I said it would be completely optional and if a virtuoso like Rybak decides to use his live violin he shouldn't be forbidden. The karaoke singers can remain karaoke singers of course. Total freedom to be whatever you wanna be.
Damn it, I wanna see Zdob si Zdub win it the 3rd time. Just get a better song and a big preposterous party on stage!

The point is: do we want a singing competition, a show performance competition or a music competition? It all depends which direction people want the ESC to go. All we can do is try something, and if it's not accepted, then try something different, until finally (that is: never!!!) everybody is happy with the ESC.

A little bit of everything, really. It's a musical extravaganza, and it could be up to the participants to decide...within reason of course, you shouldn't be able to bring an elephant on stage. ;)

spyretto
15-05-2011, 22:15
The second best solution after completely abandon the participation without qualification. For a while I considered another modus: Drawing lots for the composition of each semifinal, and a negative list for each country (5-6 countries which are not votable, decided by the voting characteristics of the last 3-5 years). This would reduce the influence of neighbour voting or guest workers' voting close to zero. If the west or the east have more qualified in the finals is decided by the performers, not by geography, politics or cultural affinities. Sounds complicated though..



Interesting, I think I got it but then again that creates restrictions. We could say for example, oh Austria can't vote for Germany this year because they have been voting for them in the last 3 years.
With the non-votables being carried into the final? It will complicate things a lot, people won't know who they are supposed to vote for.
I don't know, it's a little bit like what the EBU has in place at the moment, isn't it? Historical data to segregate each country into a special "non-voting" zone.
There could be alternatives but this simple East -West thing for the semi could sort things once and for all.

How about a language barrier for the final? Restrictions put upon each country's first language, for example Russia can't vote for Ukraine and vice versa. We can do away with half of the neighbouring voting straight up. It's not very fair, of course, but it will eliminate a lot of the tit-for-tat scenarios, especially the annoying Greece/Cyprus thing, but not only that.

Argos
15-05-2011, 22:36
They want more votes, they should tailor their songs to appeal to a larger demographic. ... Common, what are the UK bitching about, they were sending rubbish after rubbish, year after year ...A legitimate artist in the UK would simply not do it.
That's the point. They are blaming others for their own failure. With bad choice after bad choice the people in the western countries got so disinterested that they didn't vote and their minorities took charge and decided the points, which made the results of the west even worse. The east sends regularly their best horse to the ESC. If this attitude doesn't change the east will always be the winner on avereage, no rule can change it.
I have to admit I don't quite get the modus: Is that to do with the way each country has voted in the past and are we to punish them on the basis of that? You mean a situation like the Greek/Cyprus one - which is going on from time immemorial - creating some kind of a handicap that would effect their qualification chances?
Oh yes, you got it right. A 'friends-list' for every country according to former votes, and those friends simply don't count. But as I said, too complicated.
yeah, of course but still they could allow SOME room for last minute alterations, could they not?
Pfff, they could simply spare us the judgment of the stinkers. I don't need them.
...as I said it would be completely optional and if a virtuoso like Rybak decides to use his live violin he should be forbidden. The karaoke singers can remain karaoke singers of course. Total freedom to be whatever you wanna be.
I think almost no country wants that. Choosing a competitive candidate would be even more pain than it is already. It distorts the competition if there is free choice. People will of course prefer the live performance, and those singers, who don't have a professional live band (especially young singing talents), will be handicapped. It's a singing contest after all, at least 'historically'.
A little bit of everything, really. It's a musical extravaganza, and it could be up to the participants to decide...within reason of course, you shouldn't be able to bring an elephant on stage. ;)
As for my part I love a wide variety of music styles, different ways to perform on stage (like Bilan's violinist and skater, or Mika's sand artist), and various moods of the songs from calm to ekstatic, and everything that gives (back) this kaleidoscope of European music culture.

spyretto
15-05-2011, 22:46
I think almost no country wants that. Choosing a competitive candidate would be even more pain than it is already. It distorts the competition if there is free choice. People will of course prefer the live performance, and those singers, who don't have a professional live band (especially young singing talents), will be handicapped. It's a singing contest after all, at least 'historically'.



So you reckon because the live performer would be preferred countries would have a hard time picking decent performers? But that could be good thing in the long run, wouldn't it? It could raise the standards of the competition altogether or, if not, punish those who are lazy and reward those who are not. But don't be so sure that the karaoke singers won't be preferred, Eurovision works in mysterious ways, you know ;)

This is what I think about the final: A single restriction, based primarily on native languages ( so we got Greece/Cyprus (amen!) Austria/Germany, Belgium/France, UK/Ireland, Russia/Ukraine, Spain/Andorra, Croatia/Serbia? is that right? etc etc )
and if that doesn't apply b) a single restriction based on the country they historically give most points to - because we somehow have to stop the Scandinavians from what they're doing for several years now, voting for each other, then pretending they're fair while the East is not ;) ).
There will still be considerable neighbouring voting of course, but at least 50% could be eliminated eventually.

That's the only thing I can think of that wouldn't drastically alter the nature of the voting, while still ensuring a more fair representation.

fanoff
15-05-2011, 23:16
Guys, what you do is just great!! But, it's the Eastern Europe countries that take ESC much more seriously than the Western. It's also not that Western countries can not win, Finland, Norway and Germany won it recently. I thought that Azerbaijan had a decent song and a good show that is enough to win this competition, I have no problems with the winner. I wouldn't be sad if Italy won, because they had a decent song too and the background was just good.

My votes for the night were for:

Ireland, Bosnia, the UK, Germany, Azerbaijan, Slovenia

Argos
15-05-2011, 23:20
So you reckon because the live performer would be preferred countries would have a hard time picking decent performers? But that could be good thing in the long run, wouldn't it? It could raise the standards of the competition altogether ...
Yes, of course. But you can't enforce it, if most of the members don't like it, and I don't see a way to convince a mayority of more than 40 countries to vote for this rule. The ESC is far from such a future. Let's be happy for now that we don't have playback or autotune for the singers! :D
This is what I think about the final: A single restriction, based primarily on native languages ( so we got Greece/Cyprus (amen!) Austria/Germany, Belgium/France, UK/Ireland, Russia/Ukraine, Spain/Andorra, Croatia/Serbia? is that right? etc etc )
and if that doesn't apply b) a single restriction based on the country they historically give most points to - because we somehow have to stop the Scandinavians from what they're doing for several years now, voting for each other, then pretending they're fair while the East is not ;) ).
There will still be considerable neighbouring voting of course, but at least 50% could be eliminated eventually.
How ever we try it, it gets either too complicated (more than one restriction) or doesn't quite serve the purpose. That's why I said, that I considered this for a while. It's no good in the end. More rules, and doesn't solve the problem, at least not without creating new ones. The East/West showdown is still more promising, though against the desired reduction of the polarity thinking.

fanoff
15-05-2011, 23:25
Azerbaijan doesn't have the money for hosting

Do you really think so? They almost spent 10 mil. $ just for 2010 Eurovision entry. And as far as I know, some price around 20 mil. could easily organise the event.

spyretto
15-05-2011, 23:35
Trust me, they take it seriously in the UK, otherwise 6 million people wouldn't tune in for the final while their entries are getting thrashed year after year, otherwise the BBC wouldn't show both semis live and then a rerun in the early morning - I mean seriously, what do they care, if they don't take it seriously.

And did you see the reaction of the German audience last night? I haven't seen such positive reaction to EVERY participant before. It's a big party, and they loved it.

I think the rigged voting IS a bit of a issue fanoff, it's not such a big deal but lets just say that a country from the West goes into the show with a bit of a disadvantage. Having said that, a song destined to appeal to a large democratic with a good performer can certainly win.
The UK situation is pretty much that they are left a little behind the times- it's not so much a patriotic issue for them. The English are the rulers on this island they are in a position to dictate things, if we allowed Wales and Scotland to participate as individual countries you'd probably see a more patriotic approach to the whole thing and possibly some better acts.

spyretto
15-05-2011, 23:40
Yes, of course. But you can't enforce it, if most of the members don't like it, and I don't see a way to convince a mayority of more than 40 countries to vote for this rule. The ESC is far from such a future. Let's be happy for now that we don't have playback or autotune for the singers! :D



You wouldn't enforce it as a rule but allow the freedom to do it if you opted for. For example, restricting the performers to 6 on stage, well, that's a rule. Allowing a live piano as an option is not a rule, it's lifting a restriction. As I said there was a time - for a couple of years - where they would allow some live music to go alongside the prerecorded one - then they abandoned it altogether, probably because of the costs. But if wouldn't cost anything for a performer to play a real instrument on stage, when the instrument is already there as a prop, it's a little bit like deciding to go for the video wall to support your performance or simply use some props, there was a mixture of that yesterday. I see no problem in reinstating some of the musical aspect of the competition, and certainly it wouldn't be a rule to be imposed, it would be just lifting a restriction. Nobody would be obliged to do anything if they didn't want to.

Argos
15-05-2011, 23:56
Do you really think so? They almost spent 10 mil. $ just for 2010 Eurovision entry. And as far as I know, some price around 20 mil. could easily organise the event.
Hard to tell from my side how much they can spend. Last time I checked, Azerbaijan suffered from heavy inflation, so I don't know if the state is willing to take the burden to invest much into the project, although where is oil there is multi-millionaires. Perhaps they will have less problems with the hosting than I assume. We'll see.

As I said there was a time - for a couple of years - where they would allow some live music to go alongside the prerecorded one - then they abandoned it altogether, probably because of the costs. But if wouldn't cost anything for a performer to play a real instrument on stage, when the instrument is already there as a prop...
The costs, that's one of the main things, costs, time and technics. The problem here is, there is need for much more time for rehearsals and soundcheck for more than 40 acts in the worst case, with all the technical issues. They can't even get a good overall sound for the event, if you remember the competition. Some countries would be able to do a decent job, others not. I can understand the fear of the hosts.

spyretto
16-05-2011, 00:09
How ever we try it, it gets either too complicated (more than one restriction) or doesn't quite serve the purpose. That's why I said, that I considered this for a while. It's no good in the end. More rules, and doesn't solve the problem, at least not without creating new ones. The East/West showdown is still more promising, though against the desired reduction of the polarity thinking.

Ok, so we have East v West, the big 6 and the winner of the previous year qualifying for the final

Western semi: Slovenia, Switzerland, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Belgium, Netherlands, Ireland, Malta, Portugal, Austria, San Marino just 14 countries

Eastern semi: Albania, Bosnia H, Croatia, F Macedonia, Serbia, Estonia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Georgia, Israel, Moldova, Ukraine, Armenia, Cyprus, Greece, Turkey, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Slovakia.

23 countries!!! The semi would take forever! We need to divide the East into 2 semis :bum:

However you see it with the East bloc spreading all the way to Syria and Iran, the divide remains the same :lol:


It's just not feasible.

Argos
16-05-2011, 00:15
^^
East Mediterranean in the West group: Israel, Cyprus, Greece, Turkey and Albania (yes, they are/vote more Levante than Balkan, as well as Bulgaria - WTF!)

spyretto
16-05-2011, 00:21
^^
East Mediterranean in the West group: Cyprus, Greece, Turkey and Albania (yes, they are/vote more Levante than Balkan, as well as Bulgaria - WTF!)

How about the Baltics too :p
Since there will be no Russia to vote for, we might as well, you know

Turkey in Western Europe :lol:

Argos
16-05-2011, 00:28
Turkey in Western Europe :lol:
Things get out of hand, I knew it! :laugh:

spyretto
16-05-2011, 00:30
I'm looking at the European map: ex Yugoslavia looks more like central Europe to me, so we put them on the other side. But we can leave some behind, like Croatia and Bosnia to the West, Serbia Macedonia to the East. We gotta break them down ;)

spyretto
16-05-2011, 00:37
Cracked it, Hungary, Slovakia, they're more Central Europe for sure

Western semi: Slovenia, Switzerland, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Belgium, Netherlands, Ireland, Malta, Portugal, Austria, San Marino, Croatia, Bosnia H, Hungary, Poland, Slovakia.

Eastern semi: Albania, Macedonia, Serbia, Estonia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Georgia, Israel, Moldova, Ukraine, Armenia, Cyprus, Greece, Turkey, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria.

19 west, 18 east but one will be the winner of last year

We restrict the countries to qualify from each semi to 9 ( instead of 10 ). We got 18+7=25 countries for the final.
And let them poke each other's eyes out with the voting

spyretto
16-05-2011, 08:41
When it comes to vocal abilities then I wouldn't be proud of Blue. They were weak too, especially in the first half of the song, Lee is the name of the main destroyer, I guess.

They were bad for about the first 30-45 seconds, they were really good afterwards. When I heard Lee the first time I thought his singing would be problematic as he's doing the leading vocals on this one and he's had problems hitting the high notes live. He actually did ok at the end.
Apparently they lost the jury voting altogether, I heard from a friend who was in the rehearsals that their dress rehearsal was a disaster, probably they didn't realise how important that would be in the order of things, possibly due to complete ignorance, unfamiliarity at how things work in a karaoke competition, they'd probably think that 2 minutes of good singing can make it up for 2 days of just warming up their voices :p
Pretty much what happened to Tatu, I guess.
Done by the juries, I think Blue would be in the top 5 if the jury wasn't involved and they had time to work on their performance. Not to mention the song went virtually unpromoted in Europe. Of course Top 5 is not even close to winning. It's not just the song, it's a whole mixture of things.

The most embarrassing thing was losing to Jedward, of course. I'm not a fan of Blue in any shape or form, I just think that as professionals they should have made a better job amidst all the amateurs.

Then again the hapless Azerbaijani winning performance...damn , that sucked :bum:
Something taken out of Stocholm's archives of B lists , I guess.
Drip Drop was a masterpiece compared to that crap.

Please punch me in the face if that song becomes a hit anywhere in Europe except for the former Soviet Asian republic of Azerbaijan. The 90's are over, children.

fanoff
16-05-2011, 15:11
Then again the hapless Azerbaijani winning performance...damn , that sucked
Something taken out of Stocholm's archives of B lists , I guess.
Drip Drop was a masterpiece compared to that crap.


The song was actually written by the writers of Drip Drop also, especially for the duo. I think that Drip Drop should have won, but it did not. I have also preferred Russia winning with Serebro, Serbia winning with their 2008 song. But both countries won with worse songs. This is Eurovision :)

Argos
16-05-2011, 23:13
... I heard from a friend who was in the rehearsals that their dress rehearsal was a disaster, probably they didn't realise how important that would be in the order of thing...
Well, proves that something is really wrong with the voting system. On the other hand, I didn't really see them in top condition at the public performance, neither their singing, nor their stage presence was as good as you would expect from a group with much routine. With many teams having their little problems here and there too, they could have been fifth or fifteenth without the jury votes.
Pretty much what happened to Tatu, I guess.
If I remember, what happened to tatu was, that they couldn't sing at all. Only 2 points behind the winner with that performance, that was an ESC miracle! :D
The most embarrassing thing was losing to Jedward, of course.
Being behind two jumping balls with cat grass hair-cut is embarrassing for any other participant too.
Then again the hapless Azerbaijani winning performance...damn , that sucked :bum:
That was strange. With their performance I didn't expect them in the top 10 at all. There was nothing which could convince, not the song, not the singing, not their stage play. It was even for this weak competition below average. I wouldn't be surprised if there was big racket behind the curtains. Please punch me in the face if that song becomes a hit anywhere in Europe except for the former Soviet Asian republic of Azerbaijan.
Your address, please!

fanoff
17-05-2011, 11:33
Please punch me in the face if that song becomes a hit anywhere in Europe except for the former Soviet Asian republic of Azerbaijan. The 90's are over, children.

It reached top 10 in most European iTunes charts. The best chart performance is from Jedward and them actually.

spyretto
18-05-2011, 11:17
Your address, please!

SA11RL

when are you coming? Just to make sure I'm not at home. :)

Top 10 itunes? So it's more or less what other ESC winners get to do in the first few days after the final.

Officially it's a little bit like this:

Chart Peak
position
Iceland (Tonlist)[2] 29
Russia (TopHit)[3] 318
Slovakia (IFPI)[4] 57

Virtually no hit...318 in Russia, do they count up to 1000 there? Scandinavia is their best bet, has it been released in Sweden yet?
By the way Jedward new entry at no 82 in the UK charts, but climbing at no 3 in the Irish charts. Blue down 10 places to no 26 in UK, nothing else from the ESC at the moment. My prediction is that the both of them will be out of the top 100 come next week.
You guys are good, I'm way too lazy to check all the charts from every country but I couldn't even find an Azerbaijani top 40.

So next year the final to be held in a country which is in the top 20 of the most repressive regimes/human rights abusers in the world, I can see that the ESC is moving up :lol:

fanoff
18-05-2011, 14:48
You guys are good, I'm way too lazy to check all the charts from every country but I couldn't even find an Azerbaijani top 40.


Try this one :)
http://www.apple.com/euro/itunes/charts/top10songs.html

Argos
18-05-2011, 16:15
Virtually no hit...318 in Russia, do they count up to 1000 there?
Not really. Their chart list ends at 100. They count the radio airplay of every week and list all the recent new entries in the 'hot track' list, which is usually complete for a month with their actual chart position and the number of radio stations, which have downloaded the song for airplay, the ones being better than place 200 are kept for about 2 months. It's just an information for the radio stations about new tracks. By the way, they are currently No. 272, which is of course the top seller of the year! :lol:
So next year the final to be held in a country which is in the top 20 of the most repressive regimes/human rights abusers in the world, I can see that the ESC is moving up :lol:
The EU is loving such countries. They would establish those regimes in Europe too with pleasure, they just don't know how to explain to us, that we need such oppression.

spyretto
20-05-2011, 07:14
Interesting, according to the itunes charts Jedward are doing better than anybody else. But those charts are all overrated imo, if you check the official Greek charts, "Watch my Dance" is nowhere near the top 20, let alone no 1. It's trajectory in the Greek charts must have come and gone months ago. No trace of any ESC song in the top 40 in Germany either except for Lena's which has a re-entry this week - obviously boosted by the ESC final. However Jedward are indeed at no 3 in Ireland ( a small, patriotic market ) again as a result of their participation and Blue are at no 26 in the UK.
Of course if a song is not released physically as well its chart history could be rather brief based solely on downloads. And I doubt the Azerbaijani song will be released as a single as a result of winning the contest.
"Popular" for example, a former no 1 song in Sweden (!) is still in the top 40 but it's ESC showing did not stop it from falling in the official charts.