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Amy_Lee_Rocks
17-03-2007, 04:41
I'm sorry... But I have to disagree with that.
Mexico is a very racist country. Now don't get offended. My father is Mexican and I've been living there for many years now. So I know how the people are in there.
I know that not all Mexicans are racist... But it seems the mayority is...

Like you said... white Mexicans, hate the
dark Mexicans and the Dark Mexicans hate the white Mexicans.
But they're also racist with other foreigners.
I've met a Russian guy... he doens't speak that much... He's always carrying with him a "Russian to English Dictionary... many Mexicans get close to me only to say things like "Russians are idiots..." or "Smells like Russian shit",(Geez.. what a way to start a coversation...), stuff like that... always making fun of him simply 'cause he doesn't understand Spanish. And yet people do not know him. And do not want to make the effort to get to know him.

There are lots of Chinese people as well, and boy, do the Mexicans hate them...
They're more terrible with them... I dunno why... but it seems they hate Chinese people with a passion... Saying things like "Chino cochino" (Wich translates as something as "filthy Chinese pig") ... When they talk, the Mexican openly make fun of them in their faces... Imitating them and sayin "what did you said? Reapeat again!". They scream at them, yell at them... It's sad...
"Speak Sapnish! this is Mexico! If you want to speak Chinese, go back to your filthy country."

I'm also been a victim of racism... from adults and teachers.
I was born in US but at the age of 13, I went to live and study in Mexico.
The teachers hated me, simply because I'm American.

I remember on my first day at Junior High, my History teacher, started to call out our names, but she didn't mention my name... I got close and said quietly... "Um... You forgot to mention me..."
She quickly snapped at me and said "You're American. How is that I know you're American? Because you're rude and selfish".

I felt terrible. And it was weird because that was the first time I've talked to her... So how was I rude and selfish? :confused:

Not only her... my art teacher hated me as well... Even though I draw nicely... I never got good grades because my teacher said she doesn't accept "American Art". Whatever that means...

And this goes on and on...

What part of Mexico did you go to?

Now you make me believe, that Mexicans are racist only in some places.
Because where im from (Durango, Mexico) There wasnt any racism.
I know in Mexico City they are like that. Just cause they live in the
capital of Mexico they think they are all that and all rich, but they suck.
Where my brother lives, there are alot of French and Asian.
I asked him about how they are treated and he said they are treated
like people. No racist comments said to them..or anything bad..
Do you look American?

Talyubittu
17-03-2007, 05:50
What your race is shouldn't matter! I find it amazing when Mexicans come to America its a HUGE deal to refer to them as Mexicans and make comments about them, but whenever you're south of the border, you're allowed to call whomever you want whatever? That's not right.

Mexico is a country with many social problems that they severely need to workout.

Khartoun2004
17-03-2007, 06:49
Mexico is a country with many social problems that they severely need to workout.

Yeah I have to agree with that. Drug smuggling across the boarder, illegal immigration, racsim... lots of problems with our southern neighbors.

Mary-sheccid
17-03-2007, 08:50
I'm Mexican..

I feel very upset for what I pass to the boy who reports his story in Mexico.

I would like to know to that part of Mexico he came.

I sit very much respect and love for my country, and also for the rest of the world.
I am studying tourism and want to say to him that the first thing that we learn is to loving our similar ones in spite of our differences..

novayamodel
17-03-2007, 19:04
What part of Mexico did you go to?

Now you make me believe, that Mexicans are racist only in some places.
Because where im from (Durango, Mexico) There wasnt any racism.
I know in Mexico City they are like that. Just cause they live in the
capital of Mexico they think they are all that and all rich, but they suck.
Where my brother lives, there are alot of French and Asian.
I asked him about how they are treated and he said they are treated
like people. No racist comments said to them..or anything bad..
Do you look American?

I went to Tijuana.
And I know know not everyone is a racist.
I haven't gone to those places that you mentioned, but I'm sure they're gonna be different than dirty Tijuana.
Oh, and um, I don't look American... At least I don't think so... Many people think I'm Asian... dunno why. :D

mary_lovesyulia
17-03-2007, 21:13
im mexican

novoyamodel im so sorry that some mexicans treat so badly! you have put yourself to think as the Americans treat the Mexicans and all the Latins? very bad! they employ to them but low that exists, ok I understand that many are undocumented, and here have almost not seen that they are racist with dark mexican, however in the United States until have them separated by districts and if note very many difference when you go passing in a district of white Americans to dark americans, the truth I never have seen that the Mexicans treat bad the Americans, is but when I have had visits here in my house my parents and I we have treated it very well and thus. alomejor those that the Americans treat bad are those of lower class, because affluent people I do not believe that it treats them thus.
but they do not want Latin, I do not believe that the Americans want to make the work of the Mexicans and of darks americans
:bum:
:) just giving my point of view

Mary-sheccid
17-03-2007, 21:27
I support you marylovesyulia:rose:
Racism is everywhere..

Amy_Lee_Rocks
18-03-2007, 01:26
Yeah I have to agree with that. Drug smuggling across the boarder, illegal immigration, racsim... lots of problems with our southern neighbors.

BUT you have to remember its not just Mexicans who smuggle drugs and are illegal immigrants and racism...Just cause people from the southern countries use Mexico for that dont mean you have blame everything on Mexicans..I know you did not just point fingers at Mexicans, but still it kinda seems like you did. Being Mexican myself i've been a victim of racism because i look white. Most Mexicans think im white and start talking shit behind my back thinking i dont know spanish, but when i reply to them in spanish talking shit back, Nomas se quedan con el osico abierto los estupidos.
From what i know, i think Guatemala is the only problem, since they come illegaly to Mexico to work, just like Mexicans come to the U.S to work.
I dont see anything bad in comming illegaly. I dont see the point in having passport. Now i have to get passport to go to Mexico, even though i was born there.
I think its is kinda silly.

I went to Tijuana.
And I know know not everyone is a racist.
I haven't gone to those places that you mentioned, but I'm sure they're gonna be different than dirty Tijuana.
Oh, and um, I don't look American... At least I don't think so... Many people think I'm Asian... dunno why. :D

Well are you white complected or not?
Dont worry about looking asian, Mexicans come from Asia.
Well at least those who still have native blood in them.
Tijuana is full of stupid Mexicans..just like el D.F

Talyubittu
18-03-2007, 02:55
I dont see the point in having passport.

Because this is America and that is Mexico. They are not the same country, and you should not be allowed into our country unless you have LEGAL access. I don't care if you're the most loved person in the world, you need a visa to visit any country that requires one, and it should stay that way.



And native Mexicans did NOT come from Asia. The "Dark" mexicans, are either the equivelant of a Native American or a Native American - Spaniard mix.

PowerPuff Grrl
18-03-2007, 03:47
Well most, if not all, of the Indigenous Peoples of the Americas did come from Asia... about 10,000 to 20,000 years ago.;)
I get your point though, it shouldn't be relevant to this.

-Adruz-
18-03-2007, 04:04
Mexico is a country with many social problems that they severely need to workout.
Look around and you'll see that your country has social problems too. I'm living with a boy from the USA (I won't say "America" cuz you're not the only ones from this continent) and he confirm that.

From what i know, i think Guatemala is the only problem, since they come illegaly to Mexico to work, just like Mexicans come to the U.S to work.

Like bolivians who come to my country :p

Amy_Lee_Rocks
18-03-2007, 04:07
Because this is America and that is Mexico. They are not the same country, and you should not be allowed into our country unless you have LEGAL access. I don't care if you're the most loved person in the world, you need a visa to visit any country that requires one, and it should stay that way.



And native Mexicans did NOT come from Asia. The "Dark" mexicans, are either the equivelant of a Native American or a Native American - Spaniard mix.

Mexico is part of America...Be more specific next time.
Please dont act like its just your country...


Native Americans = Asians

PowerPuff Grrl
18-03-2007, 04:51
Native Americans = Asians
Whoa, that's a little too generalized. Amerindians are not Asian, they descended from Asians at least 10,000 years ago, at least. They are not the same. They don't even look the same, resemble at most but I'm just talking about the Inuit (http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2005/07/26/inuit_boy.jpg) of Northern Canada and of Alaska of course, since they are the closest to the Bering Strait (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bering_strait). I wouldn't apply that to other Amerindians though.

A lot of things can and has happened in 10,000 years you know. They have been here longer than the amount of years that any of the world religions have existed combined, save for Hinduism. I mean, look at how different Europe is to the colonial Americas and that's only a 500-600 hundred year time span.

Amy_Lee_Rocks
18-03-2007, 04:57
Whoa, that's a little too generalized. Amerindians are not Asian, they descended from Asians at least 10,000 years ago, at least. They are not the same. They don't even look the same, slightly resemble at most and I'm just talking about the Inuit of Northern Canada.

A lot of things can and has happened in 10,000 years you know. They have been here longer than the amount of years that any of the world religions have existed combined, save for Hinduism. I mean, look at how different Europe is to the colonial Americas and that's only a 500-600 hundred year time span.

Let me do some research, and apologize if i was wrong.
But untill then i guess its that way.

PowerPuff Grrl
18-03-2007, 05:28
Let me do some research, and apologize if i was wrong.
But untill then i guess its that way.
Oh you don't have to apologize, it's not like you've offended anyone.
I mean, it's not like I'm Native or anything. :p

Anyhoo, here's a nice way to start; Amerindians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerindians).

On the subject of Mexico though, I have always wondered how Mexican/Canadian relations are like, it kinda sucks that our only link is through the States really. It seems like we would have nothing to do with one another without them, IMHO.

Talyubittu
18-03-2007, 05:47
Look around and you'll see that your country has social problems too. I'm living with a boy from the USA (I won't say "American" cuz you're not the only ones from this continent) and he confirm that.



Like bolivians who come to my country :p


America does not have social problems anywhere near the magnitude AmyLeeRocks is talking about. Not to mention - My country is "The United States of America" - A NORTH AMERICAN is someone from N.A. = as in the continent. The same as someone who is Asian is not always chinese. An American - is someone from the U.S.A. That should be specific enough.

And yes - I do recognize that Native Americans are decendants of Asians - but they were no longer concidered asians by the time they migrated into parts of Mexico.


Please dont act like its just your country...




and you should not be allowed into our country


I said OUR. country.

PowerPuff Grrl
18-03-2007, 06:02
Actually America refers to the entire Western Hemisphere; i.e. the Americas, so technically we are all Americans; Canadians, Peruvians, Mexicans, Jamaicans, etc.

I don't know why you guys had to call yourselves Americans, or Untied States of America, in the first place since the term is supposed to refer to everbody on this side of the Atlantic. That makes as much sense as only calling a person from the UAE, United Arab Emirates, an Arab; the term applies to all of Arabia. If you catch my drift.

Ah well, you guys are called Americans now, whatever. Most Canadians though never say America, we say the States or the US, I guess out of principle or just to annoy you guys.:p

Khartoun2004
18-03-2007, 08:12
Ah well, you guys are called Americans now, whatever. Most Canadians though never say America, we say the States or the US, I guess out of principle or just to annoy you guys.:p

I don't call my country America, so it doesn't offend me. I usually call it the US. But Canadians rarely piss me off actually. Some of the coolest people I've ever met were from Canada and I've had pretty much just awesome experiences there, except for maybe the rudeness in Quebec, but I still had a blast while there. Of course that all might just be due to the fact that I grew up right on the Canadian boarder since I'm from Western New York. Plus, Western New York accents are quite similar to Ontario accents as well, except for maybe the Ah lol

Because this is America and that is Mexico. They are not the same country, and you should not be allowed into our country unless you have LEGAL access. I don't care if you're the most loved person in the world, you need a visa to visit any country that requires one, and it should stay that way.

For once we agree. I never use to care about immigration whether legal or illegal. However given the shitty ass economy and job market, illegal immigration is really starting to piss me off. People cross over at the Mexican boarder (I'm not in any way insinuating that they are all Mexican) and will work for sub-minimum wage and then American and legal residents don't get hired for jobs because the illegal aliens will work for dirt fucking cheap. It really has been getting under my skin lately. I say close the fucking boarder until the economy gets better and we stop out-sourcing all our good jobs to India.

feel free to ignore me also. I'm quite intoxicated at the moment, it being St. Patrick's Day and me being Irish lol

-Adruz-
18-03-2007, 17:24
Whoa, that's a little too generalized. Amerindians are not Asian, they descended from Asians at least 10,000 years ago, at least. They are not the same. They don't even look the same, resemble at most but I'm just talking about the Inuit (http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2005/07/26/inuit_boy.jpg) of Northern Canada and of Alaska of course, since they are the closest to the Bering Strait (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bering_strait). I wouldn't apply that to other Amerindians though..

Her theory is right. ;) I've learned the same.

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EDIT: I've just finished reading that lines who wrote novayamodel. (I didn't read them before).
People from the USA (like almost european people) don't like us (Latin american people). That's a fact so they do the same to us when we go there.

Talyubittu
18-03-2007, 17:55
I don't know why you guys had to call yourselves Americans, or Untied States of America, in the first place since the term is supposed to refer to everbody on this side of the Atlantic. That makes as much sense as only calling a person from the UAE, United Arab Emirates, an Arab; the term applies to all of Arabia. If you catch my drift.

Because we are a group of United States on the continent of North America. The majority of the world still refers to anyone from the USA as an American. There are two different terms in which the word American is classified for.

1. People from the U.S.A.
2. People from North America

The most common term however is the U.S.A.'s.

People from the USA (like almost european people) don't like us (Latin american people). That's a fact so they do the same to us when we go there.

That is not true. I do not hate anybody based on their skin color - there are lots of other reasons to dislike someone. Pick somthing they can control if you're going to hate them, not their skin color.

Amy_Lee_Rocks
18-03-2007, 17:58
For once we agree. I never use to care about immigration whether legal or illegal. However given the shitty ass economy and job market, illegal immigration is really starting to piss me off. People cross over at the Mexican boarder (I'm not in any way insinuating that they are all Mexican) and will work for sub-minimum wage and then American and legal residents don't get hired for jobs because the illegal aliens will work for dirt fucking cheap. It really has been getting under my skin lately. I say close the fucking boarder until the economy gets better and we stop out-sourcing all our good jobs to India.


Excuse me? Where are you from?
and Are you gonna give the money to the government
to close the "fucking" border?
They havent built one cause they aint got the money..
how stupider can it be? passing a law, and not enforcing it.
Even if they did, there is always a way to come to the U.S illegaly.
I believe the U.S economy isnt bad at all after all, I wanna say its one of the
richest countries in the world..but im not sure..
Illegals helped a bit to raise it up:rolleyes:
The only jobs illegals are taking up are the jobs that U.S
citizens arnt willing to do...
dirt fucking cheap
um, no..there is this thing called minimum wage..its
not that low to be considered cheap..besides its something you
wouldnt work for.
The federal minimum wage for covered
nonexempt employees is $5.15 per hour.


Just so you guys all know, it isnt as easy as ya'll think
to get passport to the U.S from Mexico.
Thats what there are illegals.


And yes - I do recognize that Native Americans are decendants of Asians - but they were no longer concidered asians by the time they migrated into parts of Mexico.


ok, they may not be considered asians..but hold that thought..let me do some research

Because we are a group of United States on the continent of North America. The majority of the world still refers to anyone from the USA as an American. There are two different terms in which the word American is classified for.

1. People from the U.S.A.
2. People from North America

The most common term however is the U.S.A.'s.

Thats true, but most people are starting to realise that America isnt a country...
Its the western hemisphere like PowerPuff Grrl said..(Power Puff Girls rule!)
I think its pretty dumb for the U.S not to have a umm a name that doesnt use
the Hemisphere for.
Im guessing the reason they are called Americans is because U.S was
the first country to be formed in the western hemisphere..correct me if im wrong.
oh..and United States of America um..thats not really like a proper name..
it isnt the only country that has united states.

Actually America refers to the entire Western Hemisphere; i.e. the Americas, so technically we are all Americans; Canadians, Peruvians, Mexicans, Jamaicans, etc.

I don't know why you guys had to call yourselves Americans, or Untied States of America, in the first place since the term is supposed to refer to everbody on this side of the Atlantic. That makes as much sense as only calling a person from the UAE, United Arab Emirates, an Arab; the term applies to all of Arabia. If you catch my drift.

Ah well, you guys are called Americans now, whatever. Most Canadians though never say America, we say the States or the US, I guess out of principle or just to annoy you guys.:p

:D

QueenBee
18-03-2007, 18:06
People from the USA (like almost european people) don't like us (Latin american people).
Don't worry sweetie, I haven't seen any racism towards Latin people in Europe... :) (most of it is aimed at people from the middle east)

Amy_Lee_Rocks
18-03-2007, 18:09
Don't worry sweetie, I haven't seen any racism towards Latin people in Europe... :) (most of it is aimed at people from the middle east)

ok..what countries are considered Latin?

Talyubittu
18-03-2007, 18:11
Excuse me? Where are you from?
and Are you gonna give the money to the government
to close the "fucking" border?
They havent built one cause they aint got the money..
how stupider can it be? passing a law, and not enforcing it.
Even if they did, there is always a way to come to the U.S illegaly.
I believe the U.S economy isnt bad at all after all, I wanna say its one of the
richest countries in the world..but im not sure..
Illegals helped a bit to raise it up:rolleyes:
The only jobs illegals are taking up are the jobs that U.S
citizens arnt willing to do..

Excuse you!? You are on OUR territory and you need to follow OUR laws. If you love Mexico that much, just back across the border! The American government protects AMERICANS, it's not their job to worry about Mexicans - and they shouldn't. Each and every problem Mexico faces is it's own fault. Mexico didn't rush to help America when 9/11 happened, they didn't help us anytime ever, so don't act like we owe the Mexican government ANYTHING. The Illegal immigrants by the way - are no longer allowed to work in America. Everybody has to have proof of being an American Citizen starting next year I believe? Not to mention - just because people from America DONT do these jobs, dosen't mean they wont. There are people who hold the same jobs as Mexicans do in America who are Americans. So don't give me that shit. A bunch of Mexicans who do work for under minimum wage are NOT supporting the economy of the U.S.A. - so don't try to convince us that the sky is purple when it's not.
And Money is not the issue of building the border guard posts. It's the fact that Mexico needs to control it's citizens. It is not the U.S.A.'s fault that they let people in and out whenever they please. The rest of the world doesn't work that way.


um, no..there is this thing called minimum wage..its
not that low to be considered cheap..besides its something you
wouldnt work for.
The federal minimum wage for covered
nonexempt employees is $5.15 per hour.


And Illegals making LESS than that - are not supporting our economy.



Just so you guys all know, it isnt as easy as ya'll think
to get passport to the U.S from Mexico.
Thats what there are illegals.


Just so you know - it's not that easy to get a permenant residence ANYWHERE in another country. That dosen't mean that you move there illegally. If you move to another country - you respect the laws they have established. You do not up and decide "Oh, well I guess since it's gonna take awhile, I'll just up and go whenever the hell I please"

- No it dosen't work that way. IF it takes 8 years, you wait 8 years, if it never happens, you're SOL. If you go into the USA illegally though - I hope your ass gets deported because you are not a citizen of my country and you do not belong here.

And just so you know - you don't get a passport to visit the USA from Mexico - you get it from the U.S.A.


Thats true, but most people are starting to realise that America isnt a country...
Its the western hemisphere like PowerPuff Grrl said..(Power Puff Girls rule!)
I think its pretty dumb for the U.S not to have a umm a name that doesnt use
the Hemisphere for.
Im guessing the reason they are called Americans is because U.S was
the first country to be formed in the western hemisphere..correct me if im wrong.
oh..and United States of America um..thats not really like a proper name..
it isnt the only country that has united states.


No they are not.

The U.S.A. was the first established society that functioned on North America. And yes - it is a proper name. My country is not called "The Only Country on North America" - it is called the United States of America - meaning the country is a group - of united - states - which reside - on the continent - if America.

-Adruz-
18-03-2007, 18:13
I think this (http://www.biotech.bioetica.org/images/migra.gif) is the map. All started in Africa.

Don't worry sweetie, I haven't seen any racism towards Latin people in Europe... :)(most of it is aimed at people from the middle east)
Well, I've to Europe for times. And some people weren't friendly with me. :(

Talyubittu
18-03-2007, 18:16
Even that is just scientific theory Adruz. But it's nice to point it out. :)

Khartoun2004
18-03-2007, 18:28
Excuse you!? You are on OUR territory and you need to follow OUR laws. If you love Mexico that much, just back across the border! The American government protects AMERICANS, it's not their job to worry about Mexicans - and they shouldn't. Each and every problem Mexico faces is it's own fault. Mexico didn't rush to help America when 9/11 happened, they didn't help us anytime ever, so don't act like we owe the Mexican government ANYTHING. The Illegal immigrants by the way - are no longer allowed to work in America. Everybody has to have proof of being an American Citizen starting next year I believe? Not to mention - just because people from America DONT do these jobs, dosen't mean they wont. There are people who hold the same jobs as Mexicans do in America who are Americans. So don't give me that shit. A bunch of Mexicans who do work for under minimum wage are NOT supporting the economy of the U.S.A. - so don't try to convince us that the sky is purple when it's not.
And Money is not the issue of building the border guard posts. It's the fact that Mexico needs to control it's citizens. It is not the U.S.A.'s fault that they let people in and out whenever they please. The rest of the world doesn't work that way.

Absolutely right! Mexico hasn't done shit for us ever except cause problems for the US. Hello Texas and the Alimo. The only thing we might owe Mexico is a thank you very much for letting us kick your asses in the Spanish American War so that we could acquire all of the Western Coast and Texas. Other than that I can't recall anything the Mexican have done for us.

And Illegals making LESS than that - are not supporting our economy.

Right there as well. Illegal immigrants only hurt the economy not help it. FYI also, the minimum wage int he US is about to go up to $7.45 thanks to our lovely newly elected Democratic House of Representatives and the lovely Left Wing Bluest of Blue Speakers Nancy Pelosi (I love her :laugh:)

Just so you know - it's not that easy to get a permenant residence ANYWHERE in another country. That dosen't mean that you move there illegally. If you move to another country - you respect the laws they have established. You do not up and decide "Oh, well I guess since it's gonna take awhile, I'll just up and go whenever the hell I please"

- No it dosen't work that way. IF it takes 8 years, you wait 8 years, if it never happens, you're SOL. If you go into the USA illegally though - I hope your ass gets deported because you are not a citizen of my country and you do not belong here.

Yeah it is difficult to get Permanent Residency here, there's a quota and once it's full for the year that's the end of it you have to wait another year. However, there are such things as Working Visas, that allow a person to live and work in the US for up to 3 years LEGALLY. And that gives people time to apply for Permanent Residency. Plus, working visas are much much easier to obtain. That being said, I find no reason to justify illegal immigration on the basis of Work because we have a visas specifically for it.

And just so you know - you don't get a passport to visit the USA from Mexico - you get it from the U.S.A.

Ayep this is also true. You get a visas from the government of the country you are trying to go to. Mexico does not have the right to say one of their citizens can cross our boarder.

Talyubittu
18-03-2007, 18:31
It bothers me when people debate about things they know NOTHING about.

It's like moving to Russia and expecting everone to speak English.

haku
18-03-2007, 18:38
ok..what countries are considered Latin?In Europe? The countries that speak a Latinate language, basically Portugal, Spain, France, Italy and Romania.

Amy_Lee_Rocks
18-03-2007, 18:42
Excuse you!? You are on OUR territory and you need to follow OUR laws. If you love Mexico that much, just back across the border! The American government protects AMERICANS, it's not their job to worry about Mexicans - and they shouldn't. Each and every problem Mexico faces is it's own fault. Mexico didn't rush to help America when 9/11 happened, they didn't help us anytime ever, so don't act like we owe the Mexican government ANYTHING. The Illegal immigrants by the way - are no longer allowed to work in America. Everybody has to have proof of being an American Citizen starting next year I believe? Not to mention - just because people from America DONT do these jobs, dosen't mean they wont. There are people who hold the same jobs as Mexicans do in America who are Americans. So don't give me that shit. A bunch of Mexicans who do work for under minimum wage are NOT supporting the economy of the U.S.A. - so don't try to convince us that the sky is purple when it's not.
And Money is not the issue of building the border guard posts. It's the fact that Mexico needs to control it's citizens. It is not the U.S.A.'s fault that they let people in and out whenever they please. The rest of the world doesn't work that way..

I nevet said I love Mexico that much...
Your right its not their job to worry about Mexicans
they are doing a hell of a job there.
Of course Mexico didnt help the U.S when 9/11 occurred.
Isnt U.S strong enough to protect its citizens?
After all U.S is pretty strong.
Mexico was to worried that it would be under a terrorist attack
or that terrorist were using it to go to the U.S.
I didnt or even said anything about U.S owing the Mexican government
shit.
Like i said there is always a way to be illegal in the U.S
even if you have to have proof of citizenship or residency.
And actually those who work under minimum wage are supporting
the U.S economy, even if they werent..the U.S economy doenst
need much support anyways.

Money is the issue in building the border guard post, otherwise
they would have done so already.
Mexico doesnt do much for their citizens.
And im not blaming the U.S



Just so you know - it's not that easy to get a permenant residence ANYWHERE in another country. That dosen't mean that you move there illegally. If you move to another country - you respect the laws they have established. You do not up and decide "Oh, well I guess since it's gonna take awhile, I'll just up and go whenever the hell I please"

- No it dosen't work that way. IF it takes 8 years, you wait 8 years, if it never happens, you're SOL. If you go into the USA illegally though - I hope your ass gets deported because you are not a citizen of my country and you do not belong here.

And just so you know - you don't get a passport to visit the USA from Mexico - you get it from the U.S.A.



I know its not easy getting permanant residence anywhere.
I've seen people go through the process in the here. It takes a
really long time.
I dont think the law matter when you are trying to pursuit something
that is good. Mexico is a country where its very hard to live if you
live in poverty. You are crossing the border into Mexico and you see
little kids..i dont just mean like 5 or 6 year olds..im talking about
3 year olds seling candy, to suport their family.

I totaly agree that it should be stoped now, and that
they should do something about illegals. But i dont agree
on sending the ones who are already here back.
I do agree that some illegals come to the U.S to break
even more laws, but i dont agree on people saying
that all illegals come to the U.S to break laws.
Illegals arnt the only ones who are considered law breakers.
I think doing everything that is possible to keep them out now.
Will teach mexico a lesson on treating its citizens right.
Mexicans should do something about the government.
It sucks!

oh and againg..Stop acting like its your country.
It wasnt your country to beging with anyways.


Just so you know, yes do get the passport from Mexico..
you get the Visa from the U.S:)

Amy_Lee_Rocks
18-03-2007, 18:49
Absolutely right! Mexico hasn't done shit for us ever except cause problems for the US. Hello Texas and the Alimo. The only thing we might owe Mexico is a thank you very much for letting us kick your asses in the Spanish American War so that we could acquire all of the Western Coast and Texas. Other than that I can't recall anything the Mexican have done for us.


Ok, what does the war that was fought years ago have to do with
what we are discusing now?
Please shut up with that shit, it isnt gonna help with anything.
Im not complanin about the stupid war, so why the hell bring it up.
If this is all you are gonna talk about, then go else where.
That is just so old..wtf is that? dude seriously..grow up!
Like i said before, U.S doesnt need any help.


Ayep this is also true. You get a visas from the government of the country you are trying to go to. Mexico does not have the right to say one of their citizens can cross our boarder.

Thats right, you get Visas from the U.S
You get passport from Mexico:)
You dont get passport from the U.S.

In Europe? The countries that speak a Latinate language, basically Portugal, Spain, France, Italy and Romania.

Thank you for clearing that up..i was kinda confused

PowerPuff Grrl
18-03-2007, 18:57
Holy shit!
Can't we all just get along? I'm sure we can reach an understanding here.

I'm pretty sure Mexican illegals have done plenty for the economy of the States. Cheap labour will always be in demand from American employers, Mexican illegals obviously helped out plenty with the reconstruction, and the continued reconstruction of Gulf States after Katrina, mind you, probably even moreso than your own government. I think Mexico even provided shelter, troops or something. And all of that is just in recent years.

Illegal labour is a problem though, no doubt. Traditionally American jobs like plumbing, trucking, agriculture and the like are now given to illegals because the wages are not sufficient enough support an American lifestyle. Not only that, but labour rights, which have been viciously fought for 50 years are now eroding to what it was like during the turn of the century. Illegals are working ridiculously dangerous tasks in ridiculous lengths of hours for ridiculously little. Just because Americans refuse to endure that many hardship in work doesn't mean they don't want the job. Illegals should compete with Americans at conditions that are safe and reasonable for all.

But that's all in a perfect world. IMHO, I think that Americans should just punish those that hire illegal workers.


PS: If you guys put up a fence, you'd probably get illegal help to do it! :D

Amy_Lee_Rocks
18-03-2007, 18:59
Holy shit!
Can't we all just get along? I'm sure we can reach an understanding here.

I'm pretty sure Mexican illegals have done plenty for the economy of the States. Cheap labour will always be in demand from American employers, Mexican illegals obviously helped out plenty with the reconstruction, and the continued reconstruction of Gulf States after Katrina, mind you, probably even moreso than your own government. I think Mexico even provided shelter, troops or something. And all of that is just in recent years.

Illegal labour is a problem though, no doubt. Traditionally American jobs like plumbing, trucking, agriculture and the like are now given to illegals because the wages are not sufficient enough support an American lifestyle. Not only that, but labour rights, which have been viciously fought for 50 years are now eroding to what it was like during the turn of the century. Illegals are working ridiculously dangerous tasks in ridiculous lengths of hours for ridiculously little. Just because Americans refuse to endure that many hardship in work doesn't mean they don't want the job. Illegals should compete with Americans at conditions that are safe and reasonable for all.

But that's all in a perfect world. IMHO, I think that Americans should just punish those that hire illegal workers.


PS: If you guys put up a fence, you'd probably get illegal help to do it! :D


I just love you!!!!!

Talyubittu
18-03-2007, 19:00
Yosimar - please don't tell me you are that stupid. A Visa and a Passport are the same thing - and are only obtained by the country you wish to visit. Mexico cannot issue a visa or a passport to any foreign country. Only to their own.


I don't care if we have 3 year olds working corners - that is not the USA's problem. illegals that are here - are illegal. they do not belong here. And should be deported. It is not a matter of teaching mexico a lesson - it is a matter of they DO NOT belong in the USA.


Illegals are only good for people who want cheap labor. It is not building the ecnomy. So don't fool yourself.
oh and againg..Stop acting like its your country.
It wasnt your country to beging with anyways.

I am a citizen of the USA - it is my country

And it has always been our country. If you wish to debate the indians and the british - please move to the america topic. where I will be happy to give you a history lesson.

mary_lovesyulia
19-03-2007, 21:30
[QUOTE=Amy_Lee_Rocks;344323]I nevet said I love Mexico that much...
Of course Mexico didnt help the U.S when 9/11 occurred.
/QUOTE]

mmm for what the hell they want aid of Mexico, if the one of the towers were planned by the government of “your dear country”? I saw a video that explained all the errors that they had when they collapsed the twin towers (at the moment I do not decide to me where) and as they collapsed them and things thus. omg you know all the governments are corrupt until the one of the United States

Mary-sheccid
19-03-2007, 22:22
Yosimar - please don't tell me you are that stupid. A Visa and a Passport are the same thing - and are only obtained by the country you wish to visit. Mexico cannot issue a visa or a passport to any foreign country. Only to their own.


Yosimar isn't stupid.. Stupid are You...
Visa and passport aren't the same...

:rolleyes:

In any book of kindergarden you can find that.;)

dradeel
19-03-2007, 23:05
Visa and a Passport are the same thing - and are only obtained by the country you wish to visit. Mexico cannot issue a visa or a passport to any foreign country. Only to their own.
Er, not quite... :)

A passport is the evidence you hold to be able to prove that you are the one you are and are originally only given in the country you're a citizen/born in. You can apply for citizenship in another country and recieve a new passport, but that means you have to live in the country for a lotta years, and often means you have to have a family there as well. :p
Also, without a passport you can't (well, more like shouldn't. Hehe.) travel on holidays outside the border of your own country. You don't need a visa to go on a holiday - well, it's not a rule without exceptions at least. Hahaha. And I doubt you'll ever get a visa somewhere without a legit passport...

A visa is something you have to apply for at the embassy of the country you wish to visit, meaning it's the country you wish to go to that gives you the visa. Visas are given if you wanna live in a country for a longer period of time... I think most western countries give student visas to fellow western countries that allows you to study for the given time and have a job with a maximum wage.

I believe you can apply for a student visa like that in the U.S. (at least if you come from Norway... hehe) I read about it, as I have wondered about studying in the states.

Talyubittu
20-03-2007, 00:41
Er, not quite... :)

A passport is the evidence you hold to be able to prove that you are the one you are and are originally only given in the country you're a citizen/born in. You can apply for citizenship in another country and recieve a new passport, but that means you have to live in the country for a lotta years, and often means you have to have a family there as well. :p
Also, without a passport you can't (well, more like shouldn't. Hehe.) travel on holidays outside the border of your own country. You don't need a visa to go on a holiday - well, it's not a rule without exceptions at least. Hahaha. And I doubt you'll ever get a visa somewhere without a legit passport...

A visa is something you have to apply for at the embassy of the country you wish to visit, meaning it's the country you wish to go to that gives you the visa. Visas are given if you wanna live in a country for a longer period of time... I think most western countries give student visas to fellow western countries that allows you to study for the given time and have a job with a maximum wage.

I believe you can apply for a student visa like that in the U.S. (at least if you come from Norway... hehe) I read about it, as I have wondered about studying in the states.

I was not going into technicalities. I understand they are different. - My point I was trying to make is that ANY time you enter another country - you get these papers/documents from the country you wish to visit. Not the country you reside in.

Amy_Lee_Rocks
20-03-2007, 01:36
Yosimar - please don't tell me you are that stupid. A Visa and a Passport are the same thing - and are only obtained by the country you wish to visit. Mexico cannot issue a visa or a passport to any foreign country. Only to their own.


I don't care if we have 3 year olds working corners - that is not the USA's problem. illegals that are here - are illegal. they do not belong here. And should be deported. It is not a matter of teaching mexico a lesson - it is a matter of they DO NOT belong in the USA.


Illegals are only good for people who want cheap labor. It is not building the ecnomy. So don't fool yourself.


I am a citizen of the USA - it is my country

And it has always been our country. If you wish to debate the indians and the british - please move to the america topic. where I will be happy to give you a history lesson.

Just like they said above you. Passport and Visa isnt the same.
And i just dont know why you think i said its the U.S problem if the kids
are selling candy. You just havent gone trough it like illegals have, or you just
dont understand. Most of my friends are illegals, and its difficult for them to live in such
a way, but they prefer to live like that than live in poverty back in mexico.
Once im 18 im gonna helpt them :)

and..about me telling you not just to say its your country..
Well im a U.S Citizen as well, and i dont refer the U.S as just my country.
Your not the only U.S citizen:)

Im pretty sure you've done alot of illegal things yourself.
You dont see other bitching about it.


I was not going into technicalities. I understand they are different. - My point I was trying to make is that ANY time you enter another country - you get these papers/documents from the country you wish to visit. Not the country you reside in.

Please dont come up with excueses. Admit that you were wrong.
Saying that your point was something else is just rubish.
It really has nothing to do with the whole Passport/Visa thing

Talyubittu
20-03-2007, 03:09
Just like they said above you. Passport and Visa isnt the same.
And i just dont know why you think i said its the U.S problem if the kids
are selling candy. You just havent gone trough it like illegals have, or you just
dont understand. Most of my friends are illegals, and its difficult for them to live in such
a way, but they prefer to live like that than live in poverty back in mexico.
Once im 18 im gonna helpt them :)

and..about me telling you not just to say its your country..
Well im a U.S Citizen as well, and i dont refer the U.S as just my country.
Your not the only U.S citizen:)

Im pretty sure you've done alot of illegal things yourself.
You dont see other bitching about it.




Please dont come up with excueses. Admit that you were wrong.
Saying that your point was something else is just rubish.
It really has nothing to do with the whole Passport/Visa thing

You were the one who thought you obtained these things from the country you resided in so please don't talk to me like I'm four. I may have been confused on the exact meaning of the documents - but at least I know how to enter another country legally.

Do you realize that if you help them, you can face large fines and even prison time? Not to mention - if you were a citizen of Mexico before - you could be deported. I do not care if both of your parents are illegal immigrants and had to prostitute themselves to make wages. It is not the American people's fault, nor our responsibility to take care of what Mexico can't. We do not send our single mothers or people on welfare to the U.K.? You know what - because we're a civilized society with respect for international law. How can a Mexican want to be in the U.S.A. if they don't even come in legally?

Living in a country other than your home country means you love and respect the new land as your new home, you don't have to hate your homeland, but you need to have respect and compassion for people who live there and the laws of your new country. Someone who enters the country illegally, with only means of supporting their own family - is not someone the U.S.A. needs. For one - that person does not comprehend the responsiblities in being an American citizen. You may have to pass a test to get citizenship into our country - but believe me - Life is more than what's written on paper. Without the help of Americans immigrants from any country would have difficulty fitting into the new culture they are expsed to. People who move here to persue college and get educations and work for a living - are people the U.S.A. need. America has enough scrap pile youth running around - we don't need Mexico's haul of them.

As far as me breaking laws? - No, I have never commited a fellony. Yes - everyone commits minor infractions in law anywhere. But being guilty of a misdemeanor is nothing like a felony. And if you are comparing a speeding ticket with illegal immigration - you need to be re-instituted into an elementary school. Because the two are quite the contrast of each other.

And on a final note - The U.S.A. is MY country - in the sense that I live here and was born here. Not in an actual posessive sense. If me saying that the United States is MY country is the biggest thing you have to complain about - I do not see why you are even arguing on such a pointless topic.

And just some advice - don't get involved with illegal immigrants and post it on the internet, I believe you know what the Patriot Act is and what it gives the government the right to do.
__________________________________________________ ________________________________________________


And just some advice - don't get involved with illegal immigrants and post it on the internet, I believe you know what the Patriot Act is and what it gives the government the right to do.

Amy_Lee_Rocks
20-03-2007, 04:15
Do you realize that if you help them, you can face large fines and even prison time? Not to mention - if you were a citizen of Mexico before - you could be deported. I do not care if both of your parents are illegal immigrants and had to prostitute themselves to make wages. It is not the American people's fault, nor our responsibility to take care of what Mexico can't. We do not send our single mothers or people on welfare to the U.K.? You know what - because we're a civilized society with respect for international law. How can a Mexican want to be in the U.S.A. if they don't even come in legally?



I dont know what kind of help you think im gonna give them...
but whatever it is, it isnt the way you think :)

Of course im well aware what could happen to me if i help them in the way you
think im gonna help them. Whatever that way is.
I only plan to help them make things legaly.
Its not hard going back to Mexico to do things legaly.
Just letting borrow some money will do.

And boy please, my parents are not illegal imigrants..
They are succesful business owners.
Please dont come with me with your nonsence.
You make me believe that you are just mad because
your parents dont have anything good. Or anything
that is worth. So back off and leave my parents out of it.

And i still dont see where you get me saying its the U.S fault..????wtf?

And on a final note - The U.S.A. is MY country - in the sense that I live here and was born here. Not in an actual posessive sense. If me saying that the United States is MY country is the biggest thing you have to complain about - I do not see why you are even arguing on such a pointless topic.

If its as pointless as you think, they why even reply to it?

Talyubittu
20-03-2007, 04:24
And boy please, my parents are not illegal imigrants..
They are succesful business owners.
Please dont come with me with your nonsence.
You make me believe that you are just mad because
your parents dont have anything good. Or anything
that is worth. So back off and leave my parents out of it.

I said IF - I did not say they were.

Amy_Lee_Rocks
20-03-2007, 04:34
I said IF - I did not say they were.

I dont give a shit what you said, You keep them out of your
silly head. They have nothing to do with this..ok?

Now anyways...


I dont understand the issue that Mexico was having with the new president.
Can someone explain to me why people were boycotting, and acting so
violently almost killing each other.

Enlighten me.:)

haku
20-03-2007, 14:52
I was not going into technicalities. I understand they are different. - My point I was trying to make is that ANY time you enter another country - you get these papers/documents from the country you wish to visit. Not the country you reside in.And like dradeel explained, that's incorrect. A passport is delivered by the country you come from, a visa is delivered by the country you go to.

A passport acts as a proof of indentity and citizenship, it is only delivered by a country to its own citizens; a visa acts as an authorization of entry and stay, it is only delivered by a country to foreigners who wish to enter that country.
Therefore a person can only have one passport (delivered by his own country), but can obtain multiple visas (delivered by any country he wishes to visit).

Let's say a Canadian citizen wish to visit China, he will need a Canadian passport which is delivered by the Canadian administration, he will also need a Chinese visa which is delivered by the Chinese administration

Also, without a passport you can't (well, more like shouldn't. Hehe.) travel on holidays outside the border of your own country.The big exception in that area is the European Union, citizens of any EU state can travel and live freely within the EU with no more official documents than they need in their country of origin (generally a simple ID card or driving licence). EU citizens only need a passport if they intend to go outside the EU.

dradeel
20-03-2007, 17:55
The big exception in that area is the European Union, citizens of any EU state can travel and live freely within the EU with no more official documents than they need in their country of origin (generally a simple ID card or driving licence). EU citizens only need a passport if they intend to go outside the EU.
Yeah I know. Europe is actually kinda weird with all that. Norway, not a member of EU, partly fall under that rule, however it's kinda complicated... :p but all I ment is that some places they don't do passport checks (might be out of laziness). I've experienced going outside Norway (before the whole free-to-go-wherever-you-want-thingie) that they didn't check our passports. So that's why I wrote it like I did. Hehehe.
My point I was trying to make is that ANY time you enter another country - you get these papers/documents from the country you wish to visit.
You apply for a visa probably months before you actually make the trip. However, if you go on holidays to another country you'll get a cute stamp in your passport proving that you have entered the country at the given date :D We don't get those anymore in Europe :(
I dunno about any other papers tho...

forre
20-03-2007, 19:17
Talyubittu, Mary-sheccid, Learn to debate without implying that someone is stupid here. There's no guarantee that a one might know answers to all questions. Share your experience and knowledge without insulting each other, ok?

Mary-sheccid
20-03-2007, 19:43
Talyubittu, Mary-sheccid, Learn to debate without implying that someone is stupid here. There's no guarantee that a one might know answers to all questions. Share your experience and knowledge without insulting each other, ok?

Ok, Forre. I'll be a Good Girl..
:kawai:

Tatyubittu isn't stupid. Just a little silly. :p.. But We love Him..

-Adruz-
20-03-2007, 20:06
Tatyubittu isn't stupid. Just a little silly. :p.. But We love Him..

:confused:

The big exception in that area is the European Union, citizens of any EU state can travel and live freely within the EU with no more official documents than they need in their country of origin (generally a simple ID card or driving licence).

Like in most of the coutries in South America

Mary-sheccid
20-03-2007, 20:14
:confused:


More :confused:

Talyubittu
20-03-2007, 21:48
No no. LOL. I'm quite stupid as well.

volkovaddict
21-03-2007, 02:03
No no. LOL. I'm quite stupid as well.

ahhh timmmyyy! your not stupid..and thank god yours and Yoshi argument ended I was about to hurt both of you!

haku
22-03-2007, 04:35
Yeah I know. Europe is actually kinda weird with all that. Norway, not a member of EU, partly fall under that rule, however it's kinda complicated...Not that weird and complicated, you just have to make the difference between the EU and EEA countries. :)

The EU is a confederation and EU citizenship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_of_the_European_Union) has a legal existence since 1992, EU citizens can therefore move between EU states as freely as US citizens can move between US states.

EEA countries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area) can be considered 'EU associates', even though they are not part of the EU, they enjoy free movement of persons with the EU. There's also a bilateral Swiss-EU agreement very similar to the EEA agreement.

freddie
22-03-2007, 10:02
The interesting thing about illegal immigration problem in the USA is that it could be solved SO easily. Like ppg said before... all you really need to do is punish people who hire cheap illegal labour. And I'm not talking about $500 fines, but rather +5 years jail sentences. Because seeking out cheap labour is nothing but slavery in disguise. Exploitation at it's finest. As soon as that'd be settled Mexicans would have absolutely no reason to even consider economic migration, since it'd be impossible for them to find a job in the USA.

dradeel
22-03-2007, 15:51
Not that weird and complicated, you just have to make the difference between the EU and EEA countries.
What about the Schengen agreement? Is that more or less the same as EEA now? I believe Schengen involved border control and that sorta stuff...? Hehehe.

Khartoun2004
22-03-2007, 16:10
The interesting thing about illegal immigration problem in the USA is that it could be solved SO easily. Like ppg said before... all you really need to do is punish people who hire cheap illegal labour. And I'm not talking about $500 fines, but rather +5 years jail sentences. Because seeking out cheap labour is nothing but slavery in disguise. Exploitation at it's finest. As soon as that'd be settled Mexicans would have absolutely no reason to even consider economic migration, since it'd be impossible for them to find a job in the USA.

Exactly. That's why it's been pissing me off lately... it's so easily correctable, but people are to fucking busy worrying about Iraq in the "executive" to pay any attention to domestic issues. Then again there will always be people who ignore the law compeletly *cough*Bush*cough*.

haku
22-03-2007, 16:55
What about the Schengen agreement? Is that more or less the same as EEA now? I believe Schengen involved border control and that sorta stuff...? Hehehe.It's not the same thing, the EEA agreement is about relations between the EU and EEA countries (it only applies to citizens of the EU and of EEA countries), the Schengen agreement is about relations between the EU (+EEA+Switzerland) and the rest of the world.

Before the Schengen agreement, a non-EU non-EEA citizen had to obtain a visa from each EU state or EEA country they wanted to visit and had to have their passport checked at every border crossing (even at EU internal borders). Now they simply have to obtain one single Schengen visa and have their passport checked only once when they first enter the Schengen area, after that they can travel freely within the Schengen area.

The Schengen agreement hasn't changed anything for EU citizens, except to see the final destruction of internal border posts. EU citizens could of course already cross internal borders without any checks, but those border posts were still used to check non-EU citizens (like a Japanese tourist going from France to Germany for example), with the Schengen agreement those border posts became totally useless and were demolished.
A typical internal EU border looks like this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:OffeneGrenzeNiederndorf-Oberaudorf.jpg) now, a simple sign on the side of the road indicates which EU state you're entering and that's it, no barrier of any kind. :)

Talyubittu
22-03-2007, 22:20
Exactly. That's why it's been pissing me off lately... it's so easily correctable, but people are to fucking busy worrying about Iraq in the "executive" to pay any attention to domestic issues. Then again there will always be people who ignore the law compeletly *cough*Bush*cough*.

Ew. Bush.

dradeel
23-03-2007, 00:29
It's not the same thing, the EEA agreement is about relations between the EU and EEA countries (it only applies to citizens of the EU and of EEA countries), the Schengen agreement is about relations between the EU (+EEA+Switzerland) and the rest of the world.
Ah, roger that! Hehehe. Thanks for clearing up a point or two there. I guess I still find it kinda complicated, but much less now :D

Amy_Lee_Rocks
09-05-2007, 04:43
Soo, anything new?