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haku
24-08-2006, 19:16
Dreadful story: Girl found after 8 years of captivity (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5280472.stm).

Rachel
24-08-2006, 19:20
Oh lord that is *sick* :hmmm:

I think we can pretty much guarantee he sexually abused her, well, unless he had some kind of mental condition where he was desperate for a "daughter" or something :bum:

Anyway, poor girl! :(

QueenBee
24-08-2006, 19:26
I agree... very sick. Poor girl will probably never have a normal life again (whatever that is). Can't see how anyone can go back to civilization easily after living in those conditions...

Winkie
24-08-2006, 19:33
Poor girl. She's also suffering from "Stockholm-Syndrome", I read, which will make it even harder to go back to her old life
(For those who don't know, Stockholm-Syndrome is a syndrome where people actually hold on to their kidnappers or thieves or something. First time it was noticed was when some people rubbed a bank and took hostage of a few people. After a few days, the police managed to free the bank and the hostages but some of them felt like they should defent the thieves, and actually fought the police, in order for the thieves to escape.)
She has spend her entire teenage years in a "dungeon" :S She's never been in a normal highschool or anything :S How on earth can she go back to "normal circumstances".. I think that in some ways she still has the mind of a 10 year old, and that it will be hard for her to go back.. I just hope she'll be okay..

Kyro
24-08-2006, 19:34
It's hard to believe that people are capable of things like this. It's gonna take her a very long time to reach any kind of normality in her life, if ever. I really hope that she manages to adjust to normal life reasonably well.

QueenBee
24-08-2006, 19:40
After a few days, the police managed to free the bank and the hostages but some of them felt like they should defent the thieves, and actually fought the police, in order for the thieves to escape.
There were also some rumours stating that one of the hostages fell in love and wanted to marry one of the kidnappers... :none: I don't know if that's true though.

Winkie
24-08-2006, 19:48
I don't know that either, but I think it might be possible. Some people are simply attracted to violence, how cruel that might sound, and someone who has power and who has the guts to do something like take hostages, might seem very attractive to those people..

Rachel
24-08-2006, 19:51
Sounds like my friend Clare with her abusive boyfriend :rolleyes:

haku
24-08-2006, 19:53
Many women are attracted to bad boys, thugs, gangstersā€¦ It's the instinctive attraction for alpha males who are thought to be superior genitors.

the unforgiven
24-08-2006, 19:57
I saw it on french tv. omg!! this f*ckin bastard just commited suicide!! that's not fair
he deserved to "suffer" more
I can't stand it !! *pukes*

I'm glad she found enough strenght to runaway

Winkie
24-08-2006, 20:00
What's the thing with your friend, Rach?

Haku, I know that, I don't know if you people have heard about the Marc Dutroux story, it happened in Belgium some years ago, he raped and murdered several girls, aged between 8 and 18. He buried them while they were drugged, but still alive. But before he did that, he hid them in his basement and raped them almost every day (If you are interested in the story, the only survivor, Sabine Dardenne, wrote a very good book about it! Read it! Here is some information about it: Sabine Dardenne - I choose to live (http://www.theage.com.au/news/Reviews/I-choose-to-live/2005/06/02/1117568312912.html))
But his wife, she knew about this. They had kids together, and she knew! She knew her husband raped and murdered innocent little girls, same age as their own kids had, and still, she stayed with him.. Why? Love? Attraction? I have no idea. But when they were captured, and put in jail, she fought for a visiting right for her children. A woman who had no problems with her husband kidnapping, raping, and murdering little girls, wanted to see her own children.

Some people in this world are not worth to be called human. They are less than that. They are worthless. Not a fact, just my opinion..
If you are drawn to men like that, please please please try to do something about it, it's soo bad..

QueenBee
24-08-2006, 20:05
I don't think the attraction to violence is the reason to why these people start protecting their kidnappers... isn't it a natural.. umm.. thing? (I forgot the word!) Like when you are in a dangerous situation, you try to look at it from a positive point of view. As if these people are trying to find good things in the abuser to feel more secure and "balanced", like they still have a chance, because this person is human and can therefore also be kind, and poor little thing probably had a bad childhood, and I'm sure if I just act nice he will let me go etc etc... Then it gets out of control and it turns into attraction...

(If you are interested in the story, the only survivor, Sabine Dardenne, wrote a very good book about it! Read it!)
Any idea what that book is called? I hope they translated it to Swedish, too lazy to read it in English (I figure there's an English version out there)...

Edit: Oh I found it! "I choose life" (http://image.bokus.com/book_pics/915/184/9151845105.jpg)

There's always been the question to why these women stay with their abusive partners... and they always say that they "love them"... it's a bit scary but I can see how they might think... maybe they're thinking that this person will change, that it's not really that bad, that it will be over soon... I think they might also have low self-esteem so they will stay with whoever wants them around. Sad thing is, if they are the abused ones they can also start blaming themselves... I think there is a problem there also, that these people need more love from other directions, to feel like they can make it without the abuser.

And blah blah

Rachel
24-08-2006, 20:07
What's the thing with your friend, Rach?He punches her, kicks her, calls her an "ugly whore", cheats on her, calls her mum nasty stuff and generally is a total ass hole. His dad is a convicted murderer and all his friends are complete and utter psychos. One of them tried it on with me a few years ago, I kicked him in the bollocks.

She calls me every few months crying her eyes out telling me she's gonna leave him. 48 hours later she's always back with him. I've given up.

This (http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image1xv5.jpg) is him :none:

Winkie
24-08-2006, 20:14
Queenie, I agree on that part, but I wasn't only talking about sexual attraction. Feeling pity for someone is also a way of "attraction", in my opinion. But I think that this girl, Natascha, is not attracted to her kidnapper, or felt any pity. I think it was the only way she could deal with the situation. Look at abused kids. They still love their parents. They are their parents, after all. And this man was her "father" for some years. He was all she had. All she could depend on. It's sick that this happened, it really is, but I think her stockholm-syndrome was not because she felt pity for him, or because she was attracted to him, but because *liking* him was the only way to make her life bareable (if that is a normal English word:p)

Rachel, I feel so sorry to hear about your friend. I wish there was an easy solution but there isn't, I'm afraid. All you can do is wait and catch her when she falls.. Maybe one day she'll see what she's doing, and quit forever.. Maybe that day will never come. But that is not your worry. I understand that that might seem cruel, but I don't mean it that way. But this guy treats her like she's worth nothing, and you can't change that. She has to see it for herself. And I think she knows, because you say she calls you and wants to quit with him, but maybe her heart doesn't want to see it, because maybe she loves him, in some way.. And it's hard to let go of someone you love, even if they treat you like you're less then shit.. *hugs Rachel and her friend*

QueenBee
24-08-2006, 20:15
Rachel, I'm really sorry to hear about your friend... I hope she will find the strength to leave him one day

haku
24-08-2006, 20:23
Haku, I know thatYeah, sorry about that, i don't know why i quoted you, it was just meant as a general useless remark not aimed at anyone in particular.

Winkie
24-08-2006, 20:26
Yeah, sorry about that, i don't know why i quoted you, it was just meant as a general useless remark not aimed at anyone in particular.

Don't worry, I didn't mean to offend you or something, you know I'm not fluent in English so sometimes I may seem rude but I don't mean it that way. I was just saying something like "yeah I've heard of that, but I still don't understand why they don't look for a sweet sensitive young man who can f**k their brains out", or something like that :p

Argos
24-08-2006, 20:31
As the psychologist told, the kidnapper satisfied primarily his power fantasies, the girl had to call him 'Master', he tought her... she spoke about 'Pygmalion syndrome'. Probably the girl has not been sexually abused, but the kidnapper became more 'offensive and impudent' lately.

If some infame rumours will prove to be true, this case may become very nasty. A judge had investigated the mother of the child about 8 years ago because he suspected a connection to the kidnapper. He was sure that the girl showed signs of sexual abuse (massive weight gain in short time, bed wetting...). The next weeks may clarify whether there is any truth in these suspicions.

Winkie
24-08-2006, 20:34
That is nasty yeah. Do you have a source? Like some newspaper on the internet, English, German, Dutch, doesn't matter, I'd like to read it..

Argos
24-08-2006, 20:41
That is nasty yeah. Do you have a source? Like some newspaper on the internet, English, German, Dutch, doesn't matter, I'd like to read it..
The complete Kampusch - story in Der Standard (http://derstandard.at/?url=/?ressort=Fahndung), the rumour (http://derstandard.at/?url=/?id=2562310) in german.

Winkie
24-08-2006, 20:43
Thank you very much, I'll go read it.

freddie
31-08-2006, 10:17
Some are speculating the girl is carrying his child. So much for no sexual abuse, if this si true.

rosh
02-09-2006, 12:29
Haku(If you are interested in the story, the only survivor, Sabine Dardenne, wrote a very good book about it! Read it! Here is some information about it: Sabine Dardenne - I choose to live (http://www.theage.com.au/news/Reviews/I-choose-to-live/2005/06/02/1117568312912.html))



i remember this story well ... but just one point, there were 2 survivors. sabine dardenne and laetitia delhez if i recall ...

this case has been very talked about again ever since the murders of two little girls, nathalie mahy and stacy lemmens in june, also in liege belgium [same area dutroux committed his vile acts] by a paedophile.

the unforgiven
07-09-2006, 19:04
anyone has seen the interview of Natasha Kampusch?
it's so moving

spyretto
07-09-2006, 20:33
Is there a translation in English?

The girl seems to be in very good spirits and is healthy, this whole story sounds a little bit fishy ( never trust the media ; )
The guy might not have been sexually abusing her but the impression the people are left with is that he did; but he might just have been paranoid...and he's dead. Please give him a break ;)
This is a sad story with a happy ending, at least. This girl is reunited with her parents, is gonna be rich soon and I hope she overcomes the emotional trauma.

the unforgiven
07-09-2006, 20:42
yeah, it's good to hear she's already had some plans for her future

I don't know if there's an english translation
but tonight on french tv, there was a documentary about the all story and it's very interesting
wooow, she has a lot of maturity

Argos
07-09-2006, 21:14
After the interview I am more puzzled than before. How can a person who was imprisoned for 8 years be so selfconfident, how can she describe abstract and emotionally disturbing things so precisely, how can she think about the kidnapper, his mother and other people like the shop assistent or the people on the street in the way she did? How can a girl ,who didn't even finish elementary school, have such a language, which you can only find in really good literature, such deep psychological insights? She hardly can have digested her fate and she speaks in such an objective way, being quick-witted and so astute.

Rachel
07-09-2006, 22:40
Argos, I was *very* surprised too, she just seemed too normal :none: Very weird stuff.

spyretto
07-09-2006, 22:45
I told you before and I'll say it again: don't believe the media :p

fanoff
07-09-2006, 22:48
i saw that interview too but i didnt think she seemed that normal.she did live something like a nightmare until he let her upstairs.but with the help of the doctors,i think she will get her life when she was 10

Rachel
07-09-2006, 22:59
I told you before and I'll say it again: don't believe the media :pWhat are you insinuating? :spy:

spyretto
07-09-2006, 23:09
What are you insinuating? :spy:

Not sure :p

Rachel
27-09-2006, 02:46
Another sicko. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/09/27/whungary27.xml) :bum:

Pucko
03-10-2006, 21:57
Are you alla talking abou Natasha? I heard it was all fake. The parents had met the dude and all..

Anyway, she's making a lot of money out of this. That's a positive thing.

QueenBee
03-10-2006, 22:00
Wtfff I'm very confused here.

Pucko
03-10-2006, 22:04
So you you weren't talking about Natasha eh? My bad.. I was just too tired to read through the topic...:(

QueenBee
03-10-2006, 22:15
Pucko, I'm not sure... I wasn't confused because of that thought. :p I was confused because spyretto was getting all creepy on us, and then you mention something about the story being fake... now I don't know what to think :confused:

Rachel
05-10-2006, 01:24
Her story being questioned (http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/ifs_news/hi/bb_rm_fs.stm?news=1&bbram=1&bbwm=1&nbram=1&nbwm=1&nol_storyid=5408360).

Winkie
05-10-2006, 18:26
i remember this story well ... but just one point, there were 2 survivors. sabine dardenne and laetitia delhez if i recall ...
True, but only Sabine wrote a book about it. But she also mentions Laetitia. But Sabine has been in there for 80 days, and Laetitia for about 4, I believe.. So I guess Sabine had more to write about. Not saying that Laetitia didn't go through a nightmare! But just saying that Sabine went through more days and could write more..

Another sicko. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/09/27/whungary27.xml) :bum:
I heard about that. It's so sick :S But Rach, when I click on the link you posted about Natasha, it's supposed to show a movie, I suppose, but that ain't working.. What does it say?



When I heard about this (http://www.russianlondon.com/print/20669), I honestly thought it was the sickest story ever.. :S Read it please, and tell me what you think..

the unforgiven
05-10-2006, 22:58
Her story being questioned.
the link doesn't work :dknow:

When I heard about this, I honestly thought it was the sickest story ever.. :S Read it please, and tell me what you think..
it's just disgusting, sick bastard

Rachel
05-10-2006, 23:04
the link doesn't work :dknow: Hmmm...the video appears to be gone :( Basically it was just questioning her story. Apparently she lied about a few things and they were also talking about the girls relationship with her mother and that Natascha now wanted to inherit the house she was locked away in. :ithink: Why would anyone wanna be reminded of something so awful? I am very suspicious now.

Winkie
06-10-2006, 17:26
I don't know. Makes me feel like she was really attached to the place, which could be some kind of Stockholm Syndrome, but otherwise I'd think she's been lying about everything..
I don't know. She was only 10 when she was captured. But still it seems strange to me. I don't know whether it's true or just gossip, but I feel curious now.. Strange story..

the unforgiven
06-10-2006, 17:32
yep this story is weird ... I don't understand why people would lie about this kind of thing :(
may be, we'll know the "truth" soon
*looking for infos on the net hehe*

freddie
06-10-2006, 17:38
Apparently she went on a skiing trip with her captor as well. Not something you'd do while being kidnapped I guess.

Rachel
06-10-2006, 17:49
Yep, and she denied that at first. All very weird.

the unforgiven
06-10-2006, 17:59
I've just read on a french website than she went to the morgue to "say goodbye" to her kidnapper !! how strange is that?
ok they might had a special link but I don't understand why she needed to do this :confused:
Stockholm syndrom is too complicated for me

Winkie
08-10-2006, 13:48
I still think it's stockholm syndrome, or a big lie.. :^)