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gluttony85
11-08-2006, 16:06
Well, can I say that religion is the ROOT of all EVIL??? :mad:

I think this deserves a seperate thread.

Anouk
11-08-2006, 16:52
^ I agree with you to some level.. I think it's the retarded people though - like those terrorists - who take religion to a different level and twist it so it works out for them..


Thank goodness I'm not a religious person.. I'll stick to reality, thank you very much.. I don't believe in fairy tale stories :rolleyes:

haku
11-08-2006, 17:30
Well, can I say that religion is the ROOT of all EVIL??? :mad:
That was the one good thing about communist regimes, the ban of all religions, they had understood it was a form of enslavement of the people.

Religions bring hate and destruction, especially the monotheist ones which claim that their god is the only right one, leading to hate of anyone who believes otherwise.

Anouk
11-08-2006, 18:28
There's only one good theory - see it before you believe it ;)


Some people need a reality check.. And understand we're all in this world together, not just them :rolleyes: So why make it hell while it lasts?

xmad
12-08-2006, 07:34
Well, can I say that religion is the ROOT of all EVIL???
No,you can't. stupidity+ignorance+power=evil

PowerPuff Grrl
12-08-2006, 18:02
That was the one good thing about communist regimes, the ban of all religions, they had understood it was a form of enslavement of the people.
Yeah, because Communists totally brought freedom, happiness, rainbows and unicorns to all people.
:p

Though there aren't many good examples nowadays as opposed to some bad examples, some of the most liberating moments in history was brought on by religion. In fact if anything, Communism showed us that without the religion factor people can still be evil.

People are the root of all evil.

I know Anouk.

Anouk
12-08-2006, 18:26
Haku's just saying that communism was good only because they banned religion.. He didn't say it was a picnic all in all :rolleyes:

QueenBee
12-08-2006, 18:27
I don't think that religion is the root of all evil... and that's alot coming from me. :p These people are not doing it because of religion, they're using religion as an excuse. And the people who follow them and look up to them are probably brainwashed, like someone else mentioned here.

I'm all for banning all religions but I'm sure that if they didn't exist, there would be something else that these people would bomb for.

Also, the good people who are religious are never shown on the news, only the terrorists. I must say there are lots of people out there who are muslims/christians/jews/whatever and who don't force their believes on any other person. Oh and they also don't blow people up. :D

I quite like that rule... but that's only because I am personally not religious etc. but I think people should be free to believe what they want.

(still, bring back that rule, I don't mind ;))

dradeel
12-08-2006, 18:29
That was the one good thing about communist regimes, the ban of all religions, they had understood it was a form of enslavement of the people.
True... in theory almost all were superb. However, it was all done in a very wrong way. Hehehe.

QueenBee
12-08-2006, 18:33
True... in theory almost all were superb. However, it was all done in a very wrong way. Hehehe.
Hell no... screw classless communities. :p I don't wanna share!

Winkie
12-08-2006, 18:57
Religion is not the root of all evil, at least, not in my point of view. Somehow all the religions must have been based on respect, honesty, and tolerance, because otherwise no one would have accepted them back in the old days when they were "founded". I mean, a religion changes something in your life, and if you want to accept that change, the only possibility is that it was a good change, a positive change.
So basically, I think that religion is nothing but a way of giving voice to things people didn't really understand when they didn't have knowledge of (for example) the seasons of the year, or whatever.. They thought of stories that answered those things (Think of the ancient greeks, for example, the way the people in Africa were brown, was just because some boy, a son of some god, took the sun, and putted it too close to the earth, so the earth burned, and some people turned brown.. See? Just a way to explain things people did not understand)
And people didn't understand what happened after they died, or where they were, before they were born. Hell, we don't understand that now either.. We can't *see* that.. We can't *understand* it.. But we want to.. So we make up "stories" (I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings! Please don't feel mad towards me..) like the Bible and the Koran, just to give reason and meaning to the things around us.. Like "There is a heaven and a hell, and if you live your life good, you'll go to heaven, and if you are bad, you'll go to hell".
But well, since there were many people on the world, and they didn't travel as much as we do, or didn't have internet or tv, those stories were different all over the world (though there are some things that are the same. For example: Scandinavian and Greekish myths about gods tell stories about the sun, the rain, etc etc.. Thor, for example, the god of thunder, who could control the rain and thunder, and Zeus, for example, who was the ultimate god in Greek history, and lived on mount Olympus.. They were both extremely powerful)
But, let's continue my rambling :p Like I said, there are many different people and they hardly ever met. So the stories developed in different ways, and people mirrored their gods to the people they are.. (For example: 3000 years ago in Africa, there were no "white" people, so I can imagine that their Gods must have been "black" too, since they didn't know there were "white" people too.. It must have been a crazy idea for them to think someone could have a different skin colour)
But when people meet, different cultures meet. Luckily, some of us see that those different cultures, this mix of everything, is a great way to learn new things, and are genuinely interested in what other people have to say, what other ancient *stories* can tell them.
But, unfortunately, other people feel like their stories are the only stories that are true.. So they feel as if the entire world should listen to *their* stories, and that all the other stories are bullshit.. These are the people that turn religion and a way of living, into evil..
Religion isn't evil, in my opinion. The people who give it way too much value, and want other people to think the same thing, those are the ones who are evil. You can never force anyone to belief in your stories, when you use violence and fear. I just wish someone could see that..

Rachel
12-08-2006, 19:15
...respect, tolerance...I don't see much of that in most religions these days to be honest.

Winkie
12-08-2006, 19:31
I don't see much of that in most religions these days to be honest.
Yeah I know, neither do I, but they must have been based on that, some day, long ago.. Don't know if you read the Bible, but Jesus keeps talking about love, and love includes respect and tolerance, right? So it's based on that..
It's just that people turned religion into something they can use for whatever they want.. They want power? They use religion to have power. They want people to listen to them? They use religion to scare people, cuz fear is a very powerful weapon.
People aren't perfect, and that way, they turn religion and other things, in *weapons* that they can use to get whatever it is they want..

Rachel
12-08-2006, 19:37
Winkie, but when even the leaders of religion are literally breathing hate then who cares what it stood for years ago? What matters is now.

And you talk about the bible? Read Leviticus 20:13 & 18:22, I don't see much tolerence there. And I don't care whether words were twisted over the years, the fact is it is used as a tool to spread hate.

Winkie
12-08-2006, 19:42
I know, but I've been talking about the time that Jesus is in the bible.. :) But well.. Let's not start fights over religion, there are enough of those fights already, after all..

but when even the leaders of religion are literally breathing hate then who cares what it stood for years ago? What matters is now.
Yeah I know that what matters is now, but we can't change things that are going on nowadays, if we don't understand why they are happening, why they started once. If people want to stop fights over religion, they have to understand why people wanted to believe in a force they couldn't understand. And now there are some stupid, completely insane people, who want other people to believe in the same things. Which is incredibly stupid, I admit, but they don't *want* to see that, they can only see themselve.. Gosh I hate religions, but well, no offence to anyone.. :)

freddie
12-08-2006, 21:06
In a way communism is a form of religion as well. It's all about faith in ideal... Theoretical communism belived in equality of all people and no personal property. It also shares common ground with religion in a sense that both are utopic.

Sure religions can preach about love and tolerance as much as they won't but it'll be to no avail since territorial disputes are ingraved in our genes. Evolutionary we're creatures of war.

Just like communism in it's ideal utopic state promotes ideas of common public property of all things. That's to no avail as well - people in it's core are individual, selfish beings who - first and foremost - want things for themselves (we are herd animals as well, but when it all comes down to it, survival and progress of our individual being is more instinctive to us than survival of the herd).

So like someone else already mentioned - people are selfish, evil beings. That's the ultimate downfall of any ideology - be it religious or social.

forre
12-08-2006, 22:05
My religion is unknown (I don't believe exactly in God) but my purpose in this life is to give hope to people. I've learned it from numerous examples.

nath
12-08-2006, 22:21
I absolutely agree with you QueenBee!:done:

the unforgiven
12-08-2006, 22:29
grrrr I'm so tired and my english is so bad to make a "great" answer ... may be tomorrow
I also agree with Queenie

My religion is unknown (I don't believe exactly in God) but my purpose in this life is to give hope to people
I second that
wooooow, give hope to people is so important I really mean it

forre
12-08-2006, 22:30
The purpose of religion, on the other hand, is to give hope to people to give some motivation. Don't you think so?

Rachel
12-08-2006, 22:31
to give some motivation...To blow up a few planes. :rolleyes:

nath
12-08-2006, 22:39
To blow up a few planes
This isn't Religion...this is Politic...

QueenBee
12-08-2006, 23:25
Don't think there's such a religion that tells people to blow up a few planes... well who knows, maybe someone somewhere in the world created such a religion, but none that I know of ;)

I remember the most about Islam from my religion classes... but every single one of the big religions are based on love and respect (to some extent). I am pretty sure they do not recommend killing people. The problem is that these terrorists are not practicing any of these religions (even though they say that they do).

This isn't Religion...this is Politic...
I agree... We had a discussion with my English teacher about this... she asked "Why do people make war?" and someone said "Because they dislike eachother's religions" but the true answer was "Money"

Rachel
13-08-2006, 00:21
This isn't Religion...this is Politic...I don't agree :no:

freddie
13-08-2006, 00:38
The purpose of religion, on the other hand, is to give hope to people to give some motivation. Don't you think so?

Exactly. Actually religion was founded on man's inability to come to terms with his own mortality. Our personal demise is something completely incomprehensible to us. So we have to make stuff up to explain the unexplainable. Maybe hope is something some people need to become better functioning members of our society. Nothing wrong with a bit of hope in something other than this Earthly life. As long as you don't bother other people with your believes it's all peachy.

I agree... We had a discussion with my English teacher about this... she asked "Why do people make war?" and someone said "Because they dislike eachother's religions" but the true answer was "Money"

Not always money. Sometimes - or rather almost always - it's about power. People tend to get addicted to power. Then there's also impotence. Impotence can do terrible things to a man's self-worth ... it'll make him angry and depressed... up to a point where he'll have to forward that anger to someone else. That's the inadvertant drive behind Adolf Hitler's madness, me thinks. :p

QueenBee
13-08-2006, 00:46
So we have to make stuff up to explain the unexplainable.
Hehe! I like the way you put that. "So, you know, we like, make stuff up!" :D

Not always money. Sometimes - or rather almost always - it's about power. People tend to get addicted to power.
You're right. I was wrong. :D Money or power, or both...

Then there's also impotence. Impotence can do terrible things to a man's self-worth ... it'll make him angry and depressed... up to a point where he'll have to forward that anger to someone else. That's the inadvertant drive behind Adolf Hitler's madness, me thinks.
Ouch. But still, lol at that. :D Hitler was a genius though, so he had at least something to be proud of... *please don't kill me for saying Hitler was a genius*

the unforgiven
14-08-2006, 17:00
this thread reminds me a discussion I have with one of my friend and a young priest ...

in my opinion, it doesn't matter if God exists or not
most of people ( who believe in God or whatever ) see their religion as a support to go through illness, sadness etc etc
so it's ok if they need it

btw, I'm catholic but I never go to church lol but I use to help every "good ideas" of my "little community" like helping poor people, making concert of classic music in the church and else
it's not very religious but sometimes there's "religious events" which are good for everybody, no matter of religion everybody is welcome

but, in general there's good and bad side in religion ... it's life
the only thing I don't respect is the extremists :(

I think that's all I can explain in english ( I feel so stupid right now )

Winkie
14-08-2006, 17:05
You're not stupid! :) *hugs* I understand what you mean.. :)

nath
14-08-2006, 18:24
Not always money. Sometimes - or rather almost always - it's about power.
I absolutely agree with you, Freddie, about this key-word: "Power".

I don't agree
Rachel, I explain myself better:

When I read that:
There's no force in accepting the Islam.That's what I read in the books.but not true in Iran.because here there's no way I can change my religion.If I do then the gov. has right to kill me.,
When I see the previous regime of Talibans in Afghanistan....I really don't believe the real purpose of those 2 leaders is The Religion for their population.
Their real purposes are THE POWER...and the expansion of this power in using tool as religion..

....I've written something wrong, so I do it again: "in using tool as A HIJACKED RELIGION.."...
From Religion, they've just kept the interdictions and they've increased the notion of guilt...
They just use Religion as a blackmail on the conscience, just as a fear...

There is the notion of guilt in the Religions BUT there isn't JUST that...as Forre said previously, Religion is "Hope" too...

Btw the unforgiven, I absolutely love what you've wrote...I think Religion is that too...something which gives warmness, joy of sharing moments, feelings together, to try to give something for free to others..

So Rach, I think it depends about the point of view: when you have a plot, an attempt/attack, who is for you the real responsible: the "Brain" or the "Hand"?

From my point of view, all the Brains just want to reach the POWER....and the "Power for the Power", not even for their Religion..
That's why I've called that "Politic".

the unforgiven
15-08-2006, 00:49
Nath I totally agree with you and your point of view on the politic way of "using religion"

I absolutely love what you've wrote...I think Religion is that too...something which gives warmness, joy of sharing moments, feelings together, to try to give something for freely to others..
thx, you just wrote what I wanna say but my english is so ... bad
:rose:

Khartoun2004
15-09-2006, 15:50
Well, can I say that religion is the ROOT of all EVIL??? :mad:

I agree with you fro the most part... However, religion is only evil when it is used to justify the oppression, murder and political, ideologic and physical enslavement of non-followers. Not all religions aim to convert everyone else to their belief system either through non-violent or violent means.

In fact I know of one religion, that's main principle is every individuals right to search for what they think is the truth, which of course is Unitarian Universalism. The only war I know of that was started by UUs was the American Revolution, which was fought to overthrow the tyranny of an English King 3,000 miles away. Then there are the varying forms of buddhism in Eastern cultures. As far as I know, there have not been any wars started because of buddhism. I can name a few others, but I won't.

In regards to the other "major" religions of the world, I would have to say that Chirstianity, Islam and Judaism (the latter two being the most recent in history) are the most destructive oppressive religions ever thought of by men. As Haku mentioned earlier. The part I find ironic is that all three of those religions have common founder in Abraham, yet they can't get along, or get over their idea that they're right and the rest of us are evil.

nishershevone
15-09-2006, 15:56
i'm an agnostic...i don't care about religions...but if i have to be in a religion...it would be bahaism...its belief is that all religions in this world is right, all accepted by God...

dradeel
15-09-2006, 18:02
My personal thought on religions:
I don't find a need in wondering about anything we cannot know. I don't completely look at myself as an atheist (allthough I might say that for those who don't care and just wants a quick answer) cause I don't say there is no God, as I don't say there is one - I don't believe in any "super human force" either. I just don't believe... I don't look upon the issue of a god as a problem/something I have any interest in. Yes, religion is interesting, but simply on a historical scale, not as a question of 'who/what put the universe together that ultimately lead to our excistance".

I believe in scientific methods of finding out the truth about humanity and our university. Whatever we don't scientificly know I don't fantasize about. I have no beliefs or make no assumptions - I just don't think of it as the correct approach to the problem. If you convince yourself that your assumptions are true simply because they could make alotta sense, without being able to test them, I think you've already lost. Whatever you don't know you can't be convinced about - that's how I think at least. :)

As for my view on the position of religion in the world today:
Well, religion in itself isn't the root to evil/war/and so on. But religion hand in hand with power often leads to war and evil. Religion is extremely good in uniting people for a common goal when it comes to wars. Also, religious people with power will work against any scientific discovery that might put the religion in the shadow, and surely we don't need a pope or a Vatican saying it's a bigger chance of getting AIDS if you use condoms, and therefor strongly advice against the use of it in f.ex. Africa.

So aye, I think the world would be better if there were no organized religions. I say organized religions, because it's a fact that most personal religious people are super! :) In that way it can be very good for alotta individuals, as many religious people do good deeds because of their beliefs ... how can I dislike that?

freddie
17-09-2006, 19:12
No point in starting a new thread about this, but it's worth a mention:

Pope Benedict XVI outraged Muslims around the world when he quoted Manuel II Palaiologos as saying: "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached..." recently in a lecture at the University of Regensburg in Germany. Most Arab countries (As well as those non-arab with predominately Islamic tradition) voiced their anger over popes statements. There were some extreme cases (mostly from Iran and Iraq) declaring Jihad on the Vatican and threatening with retributions. To most radical scholars this is no less than "a Western conspiracy against Islam". A nun was killed in Somalia. Churches are burning in Palestine.

I have nothing against Islam as a religion but come on! Enough is enough. How long will Islam continue to be treated as a holy cow of religions? It's okay take a critical viewpoint on any other religion apart from Islam. As soon as something happens we have pissed off armed people running around with burning crosses (and sometimes American flags) declaring war on everything western. What is it about Islam that makes it so damn special compared to other religions who've been under fire of cynics for centuries now?

PowerPuff Grrl
20-09-2006, 05:46
Not to completely disregard the reaction or anything, but honestly, I kind of have to side with the Muslims on this one.

Consider the blatant fricking hypocrisy in his choice of quotes from the Middle Ages that Mohammed/Islam is inherently violent and never contributed anything without the use of violence. Around this time Islam was at its Golden Age (I think) already developing optics, hydraulics, Algebra, and preserving the writings of Aristotle, Plato and Socrates while Catholics were busy destroying libraries in Spain (built by Muslims!), Eastern Christianity, and of course Jews.

And nevermind that the quote was taken from a Byzantinium Emperor in a city that Catholics destroyed.

Pretty comfortable saying that bullshit from Germany!
As if being Orthodox Christian in the Middle East wasn't hard enough already! Now those poor Churches have to deal with this shit that had nothing to do with them! Four Churches were attacked in Palestine; one was Anglican, another was Catholic and the two others were both Greek Orthodox. I can only imagine what the Egyptian Orthodox Church is going through.

Thanks Pope Benny!

PS: About the Muslim reaction though; how Goddamn insecure do you have to be to always get upset over this?

freddie
20-09-2006, 12:24
Not to completely disregard the reaction or anything, but honestly, I kind of have to side with the Muslims on this one.

Consider the blatant fricking hypocrisy in his choice of quotes from the Middle Ages that Mohammed/Islam is inherently violent and never contributed anything without the use of violence. Around this time Islam was at its Golden Age (I think) already developing optics, hydraulics, Algebra, and preserving the writings of Aristotle, Plato and Socrates while Catholics were busy destroying libraries in Spain (built by Muslims!), Eastern Christianity, and of course Jews.

And nevermind that the quote was taken from a Byzantinium Emperor in a city that Catholics destroyed.

Pretty comfortable saying that bullshit from Germany!
As if being Orthodox Christian in the Middle East wasn't hard enough already! Now those poor Churches have to deal with this shit that had nothing to do with them! Four Churches were attacked in Palestine; one was Anglican, another was Catholic and the two others were both Greek Orthodox. I can only imagine what the Egyptian Orthodox Church is going through.

Thanks Pope Benny!

PS: About the Muslim reaction though; how Goddamn insecure do you have to be to always get upset over this?

Yeah, for sure. I'm not saying it wasn't hypocritical from the pope. I mean come on... The Crusades? Using children and women as live shields in the name of Him? The Inquisition? Medievil witch hunts? All of those pure evil at it's finest.

But I'm still bothered by extreme reactions everytime anyone says ANYTHING about Islam. I mean it's obvious why they'd be insecure since a good part of the non-islamic world sees them as out of control lunatics, but instances like these... they just don't really help in changing that viewpoint.

dradeel
20-09-2006, 16:33
Not to completely disregard the reaction or anything, but honestly, I kind of have to side with the Muslims on this one.
Mhm... I tend to side with the Muslims over and over again lately. I'm sick and tired of the judeochristian west's presumptuous behaviour. Not that I agree with the methods that the muslims are using tho; making revolts by storming and destroying buildings. Not at all! ... but still, I understand that they're furious.
they just don't really help in changing that viewpoint.
That's another side of this whole problem, and a very good point too. Personally I think the ball has been with the muslims along time now, but when they don't wanna play ball the west gets upset and starts acting like jerks - and then the muslim world replies, often with hard-hitting methods. :p

PowerPuff Grrl
21-09-2006, 06:15
That's another side of this whole problem, and a very good point too. Personally I think the ball has been with the muslims along time now, but when they don't wanna play ball the west gets upset and starts acting like jerks - and then the muslim world replies, often with hard-hitting methods. :p
Really?
How do you find the West acting like jerks when it comes to religion, particularly towards Islam (Not politics)? If anything I find that the West constantly tip-toes around Islam fearing any outbursts like this which ticks me off because it excuses and even encourages this behaviour and also because quite frankly these fundamentalists don't deserve our respect.

The very presence of a Christian in the Muslim world, or even any non-Muslim, would offend these people. The fricking gall of being offended by what anybody in the West says (or draws) about Islam while totally feeling entitled to say whatever and do whatever they want to any non-Muslim without any slightest consideration of retaliation really, really pisses me off.

That and what freddie said of them not shutting the hell up already!... (obviously paraphrasing here :p ).

Mary-sheccid
26-09-2006, 02:27
"Why do people make war?" a"

My answer is: the people make war to make movies..:rolleyes:

nishershevone
26-09-2006, 05:12
the people make war to make movies..:rolleyes:
how is that?

religion is for deeply-in-need poor people...instead of doing something..they just pray and pray and pray...they are expecting that God will do everything for them!

Mary-sheccid
26-09-2006, 05:34
nishershevone :
I said in sarcastic form in that the people just understand the war when they watch a movie, some people.

Many persons are rich by the movies that they was doing, but the truth is not in the TV..

Some people have the need to understand the truth. not just crying when they are watching a movie. it is false, we need do something. not speaking about it.

the words are just words.. not more..

i said this for some people that i know..

nishershevone
26-09-2006, 05:56
but the truth is not in the TV..

yeah...and i really laugh at the saying "the answers to all life's questions can only be found in movies"...it's really for movie lovers...

...but enemy at the gates is so real...

Mary-sheccid
26-09-2006, 06:11
...but enemy at the gates is so real...

Exactly! so real..

but, what do you think about the religion?
For me God exist but i don´t believe in any religion, . ....
i can´t believe in the monkey theory.. that a shit.. something more powerful than us is here...i know.

nishershevone
26-09-2006, 06:18
i can´t believe in the monkey theory.. that a shit..
that's really a shit!.. F**k! Can anyone admit he/she came from a monkey/ape? If humans are the evolution of monkeys/apes, there should be no more monkeys/apes right now!

I don't care if God exists or not...i think you can call me an agnostic...for me, all what's important in this life is live it good...respect living things..not to recycle humans...love everybody..try not to have an enemy...don't be a weakling...i'm not really thinking that i have this (God) who created me...i'm not making sin not because God told us not to make sin but because i have this conscience that makes me feel so uncomfortable when i had done something bad...
But really, I don't care about the existence of Ultimate Reality...i live my life without thinking that He guides me or He's here with me...If I think there's God, maybe he'd gone off somewhere else...
About religion, i don't know. Do they have different Gods? If so, then one or two or more of them maybe wrong (coz i believe there's only one God)..but if all those religion believe to only one God, then they are all right...I kind of agree to the Indian religion, Bahaism...i like that religion, no sacraments or any other religious activities. Their belief is that, all religions are all equal, all accepted by God (i've said this before)...religion is really for helpless and lazy/slot people...

See, i'm confusing..that's because i don't really care about God...

haku
26-09-2006, 16:04
i can't believe in the monkey theory.Evolution is a fact, not a theory. Of course we are primates, we share the same genes.

Can anyone admit he/she came from a monkey/ape?How can anyone not admit it? We are apes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape), it's basic science. It's obvious that all modern apes evolved from a common ancestor, and ultimately from the same unicellular organisms as everything else on the planet.

If humans are the evolution of monkeys/apes, there should be no more monkeys/apes right now!That's probably one of the most stupid things i've ever read, please check some science books before writing such nonsense.
First of all, we did not evolve from *modern* apes, but all modern apes evolved from a common primitive ape. Second, that common ancestor is indeed extinct. Third, the emergence of a new species doesn't necessarily mean the extinction of the older one from which it evolved, there are plenty of archaic species on the planet which have thrived despite the appearance of much modern species, even among humans, several humanoid species have coexisted on the planet for millions of years, in Europe for example, Homo Neanderthals have lived alongside Homo Sapiens for thousands of years and the extinction of Neanderthals is very recent.

Rachel
26-09-2006, 16:29
...Which makes it really evil to do any testing on these animals.

nishershevone
27-09-2006, 05:56
haku: I was talking as a creationist...

(but I don't care about God)

I believe that someone created us...starting from Adam...

dradeel
27-09-2006, 18:11
If humans are the evolution of monkeys/apes, there should be no more monkeys/apes right now!
It's not really correct to say we came from the monkeys. Humans and monkeys had the same ancestor...

I cannot understand how anyone today CANNOT believe in the Theory of Evolution. It simply fits too much to be wrong. It fits so much it's perfect! And I can't see why anyone would fight this scientific work. Why would ANYONE fight science? Nothing is better than increasing and expanding our understandment and technology!

And Evolution is actually something we have found out. It's called a Theory, and not a fact, because if new things come up they can change the theory ... but that doesn't make it any less of a fact, actually I'd say it's as much of a fact as you can get it; because we adapt science to what the nature shows us, not the other way around...

haku: I was talking as a creationist...
Sooo; you ment it ironically? :) Well, I'm hoping you were at least. Hehehe.

freddie
27-09-2006, 19:45
haku

I believe that someone created us...starting from Adam...

Adam is a mythological creature. Just like Zeus or the Dragons. I really think there are enough evidence for Evolution not to question it anymore. I mean sure you can argue that you can't prove it since no one witnessed it in person, but the evidence is so overwhelming that it's almost inconcievable for someone to doubt it. It's almost like seeing someone with a knife wound, lying on the floor and a person with a bloody knife kneeling besides them - and lets say for the sake of the argument this person is a professional hitman. Sure you can't undisputably prove the hitman kneeling besides the vicitim is infact the killer... but given all the overwhelming evidence.. can you seriously doubt it? It's the same case with evolution.


On a different note: another case of western society getting scared of Islamic uncompromising attitude: Berlin Opera cancelled a performance of a classic opera after it recieved death threats from Islamic extremists. Why? The opera features a side-character which is non other than Muhamed himself - the prophet which identity just can't be revealed in muslim religion because otherwise the world will crumble into pieces. I think they're starting to exploid this submissive behaviour the western world has shown them over the recent months. And where are the moderate muslims who should be yelling from the rooftops right about now that death threats aren't really a good way of going about things?!

fanoff
28-09-2006, 20:02
On a different note: another case of western society getting scared of Islamic uncompromising attitude: Berlin Opera cancelled a performance of a classic opera after it recieved death threats from Islamic extremists. Why? The opera features a side-character which is non other than Muhamed himself - the prophet which identity just can't be revealed in muslim religion because otherwise the world will crumble into pieces. I think they're starting to exploid this submissive behaviour the western world has shown them over the recent months. And where are the moderate muslims who should be yelling from the rooftops right about now that death threats aren't really a good way of going about things?!

you know you wrote extremists!isnt it the way christian extremists going about things?is it just for us muslims?i just cant understand it.About the opera thing,i dont know what it takes if one side character is Hz.Muhamed(s.a.v.) in an opera.But for us it is not acceptable to picture or make a character of him.Thats why the cartoons got much reaction.

I really think there are enough evidence for Evolution not to question it anymore.

As Lena says...Darwin is really not for me!