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Rachel
31-05-2006, 22:11
I kinda agree with the bit about lowering the age you can appear in porn. I find it slightly weird that you can legally have sex but it's illegal to film it and sell it.

And I'm all for more animal rights.

But lowering the age of consent to 12? Nope, that's kinda fucked up. :bum:

spyretto
31-05-2006, 22:18
I was wondering if Paul de Leeuw is affiliated with the party in any way...just an idea.

I kinda agree with the bit about lowering the age you can appear in porn. I find it slightly weird that you can legally have sex but it's illegal to film it and sell it.

I believe that has to do with representing yourself legally - i.e. be over 18 - and it's not an ethical question.

Rachel
31-05-2006, 22:26
I'm guessing lowering the age you can appear in it would also mean lowering the age you can buy it...which is another question that baffles me - you can legally have sex, but you can't buy a video showing it. Makes no sense to me. :dknow:

Sorry...I know that's kinda off topic...ignore me!

spyretto
31-05-2006, 23:11
I'm guessing lowering the age you can appear in it would also mean lowering the age you can buy it...which is another question that baffles me - you can legally have sex, but you can't buy a video showing it. Makes no sense to me. :dknow:

Sorry...I know that's kinda off topic...ignore me!

They're governed by two different types of laws. Possessing pornographic material is contract binding and hence belongs to the age of majority - not the age of consent. Lowering the age of appearing in pornographic material to under the age of majority for a contractual bond that involves two parties means that one party would be a minor. Thus, the one who needs to give their consent in that case would be the person's next of kin, and this can be seen as a form of prostitution.
But if you're talking about Britain, I believe the age of consent was only recently changed from 18 to 16 years, so there's a gap of 2 years. British pornographers are currently pursuing this case with the European court, in hopes that they can lower the age of possessing pornographic material to equate it with the age of consent.

dradeel
31-05-2006, 23:26
I'm guessing lowering the age you can appear in it would also mean lowering the age you can buy it...which is another question that baffles me - you can legally have sex, but you can't buy a video showing it. Makes no sense to me.

Sorry...I know that's kinda off topic...ignore me!
Might be kinda off topic, but still a good point. It's kinda like here in norway with booze. People can't buy and drink booze until they're 20, but when turning 18 we are legally adults, can vote, get driver's liscence, and generally are responsible for ourselves. --- but we can't buy drinks with more than 22% of alchohol or something. It's no problem for me to get really drunk and get violent or drink'n'drive by only drinking beer. The danger IS the same! Hehehe. If they are afraid of the possibility that we'll drink ourselves to death, why can we fire shotguns and hunting rifles, or even join the conscript military at the age of 19. I actually think we can use shotguns for hunt when we're 16. Not sure tho... But either way; where's the logic? Seriously, if I were the master of this planet, a LOT of things would be different. Hehehe.

And as for the party. Well, I do believe in the right for pedophiles, since it's a sexuality as all other. BUT: It's NOT their right to have sex with persons under the 'legal age for having sex'. What this party is doing is extreme. Lowering the legal age for sex will be very risky for kids .. I'm thinking about the danger of raping. -- Of course people can choose to have sex when they are under 16 (the legal age in norway), doing it all by their free will. But I actually think that kids at the age of 12 cannot make that decision. 14 would be more morally correct, but still that's kinda low.

Anyways, I didn't like this party ... except the fact that they wanted to legalize all forbidden drugs. All the other things were crap imo, really. Hehehe. I sure as hell wouldn't vote for them simply because of the legalization-issue tho. :no:

marina
01-06-2006, 09:29
And as for the party. Well, I do believe in the right for pedophiles, since it's a sexuality as all other. BUT: It's NOT their right to have sex with persons under the 'legal age for having sex'.

Yes , they should have right to the medical treatment but I'm not sure you mean exactly that.which is another question that baffles me - you can legally have sex, but you can't buy a video showing it

Because there is a difference !
You can have sex , your body is almost like grown-up's and such ..besides there is a chance (in the hell, --marina) you are truly -madly- totally in love with your future prince on a white horse
but pornography is entirely different issue . Pornography is not much for your body , that's more to do with your mind . And not everyone child's mind is strong ehough to withstand such a bullshit . Pornography is downright degrading anyway :laugh: They won't miss much if they start to watch it only from 18 or 21

Rachel
01-06-2006, 10:00
Pornography is no more damaging to your mind than meaningless one night stands. Infact, it is probably better in my view.

Nothing wrong with porn, I've been watching it since I was 11 :laugh:

marina
01-06-2006, 10:38
Pornography is no more damaging to your mind than meaningless one night stands.

That's right ! I would ban sex at all :D

spyretto
01-06-2006, 20:19
What on earth are you still discussing this about?
You're not an adult at 16 so you can't take part in pornographic films or be a prostitute. It's not an ethical or moral issue or physiological isue, it's a legal issue. Capisch?

PowerPuff Grrl
02-06-2006, 05:35
you can legally have sex, but you can't buy a video showing it. Makes no sense to me. :dknow:

I think it's about consent. People under the age limit are seen by the law as unable to give consent for whatever reason (for a child's ability to reason not being developed enough, or something like that). Like if a person has sex with an underaged teen, that teen cannot be held responsible for anything because the teen, according to the law, could not have given any consent. Instead the adult will be solely charged. Same goes for acquiring porn, the underaged buyer could purchase porn (or at least attempt to) but it is illegal for adults to sell any to children. Those that do will be prosecuted. Nobody would charge a kid wanting to buy Rocco's Anal Adventures through Eastern Europe. ***whew***
:lalala:

The only way for sex to be legal for an underaged kid would be if that kid was engaging it with another kid. And this Dutch political party is not underaged. (Lousy attempt at staying on topic.)

nath
02-06-2006, 06:43
About pornographic movies, a lot of kiddies see them anyway..with their big brother or friends ,in downloading them or just even at home because some parents really DON'T care about what is broadcasted or in their tapes...or just really don't care about their kiddies.

But I'm still For this interdiction and I explain why: just because when you're an adult you "can" see the difference between things....when you are a kiddie, not often...

I mean to sell their videos , the porn film makers push the extremes more and more ...
So to be more exciting you will get in this movies : rapes or parties with 6 persons....or all kinds of situations where you'll get absolutely no feeling but just sex relationships where the women would be treated just as objects in the most perverse and dangerous situations...

And I think that's very dangerous for the mind because when a 11 years old kiddie is watching such movies (and I know some kiddies who watch them when they are just 8 y.o.:rolleyes: ), he is , in the same time, building its own personality, he is in the period when he is building his own references for the adult life.

The other thing to notice is that a lot of kiddies don't make difference between movies and reality...My idea about porn movies is the same than for violent movies here...

So...the consequence is that their representation of Love will be built from this pornographic movies...and it's very, very dangerous.
Because all the excess used to sell videos would become as something natural in their mind: for example, to rape a girl who doesn't want it in a basement with several guys would became a "natural thing"..a normal way to act...
Even the interpretation would be : "Oh! The girl cries and says "NO" just because she is a bitch and wants to excite us more.."...

So if you allow to give such horrible references to a kiddie as "normal relationships", I'm really afraid about the future of our civilization...
I don't see the necessity to "pollute" their brains with such horrible things in a such young age.

And I have the same opinion about violent videos and violent PC games....believe me, they don't make the difference between those referents and a "correct" reality which takes care about a respectful and sane relationship between people.

And about the fact to allow teens to play in Porn Movies...no thank you!!!
The role of society is to protect childhood during all the needed time to build "stable" adults.

PowerPuff Grrl
02-06-2006, 19:20
Of course... doesn't that go for everyone tho? I mean, there isn't only pedophiles that feel urges they cannot control. Everyone have the right for help. - But aye, in some countries pedophelia is illegal - just like homo sexuality have been illegal (became legal in '72 in norway I think). I'm not sure if pedophelia is illegal anymore tho. Pedophile persons are always reckoned to be mentally ill all together and just thrown inside the bars, without anyone to have a dialogue with them or a health service that can help them in need.
Paedophilia and homosexuality shouldn't be compared, IMHO. Laws to illegalize homosexuality were based on some puritanical bullshit deeming both it and paedophilia as perverted. Homosexuality deals with two consenting adults, not so with paedophilia. As spyretto said, it comes down to what age should consent be recognized. You can't just lower it to appease paedophiles because the legal ramifications would be massive. By lowering the age of consent, the law would be implicating that the child is of able mind to do anything. If a child accidentally kills another person the child is tried as an adult for manslaughter, parents get no charges, labour laws (or lack of) that the children chimney sweepers of turn of the century England had can get re-enacted, etc. (All over-exagerations, but you get point.)

The law could have different ages for consent for sex, criminal charges, etc, but that would just make the law even more complicated than it already is. It isn't worth changing for a group of people that fetishize over children. It's the youth'ness, not the actual person, that they like. Children don't remain as children forever.

I completely agree with nath on the porn issue. The rampant misogyny featured in most porn is appalling. Women are treated as just orifices for guys to fuck. Rarely do you ever see a woman come in any of them, instead the porn ends when the guy comes. And he usually comes on the face of the woman which is unbelieveably demeaning. If there ever is a porn that does feature a woman coming then it is treated as some freak show thing, usually when the woman ejaculates.
And that is just porn from the States, nothing compared to the misogyny in Hentai (Japanese animated porn).

All this can have an unbelievlabley bad affect on children if they are ever exposed to this, which they are. There was news breakout in the States that told of an "epidemic" of 13 year olds having blow job parties. Most people were more concerned with the fact that children were having sex at all, which is rather naive. My concern is the fact that boys would have girls blow them but nobody would go down on the girls. Girls weren't enjoying sex, nor were expecting to enjoy it.

Obviously these children were getting their sex education from porn. Not that I'm blaming the porn industry for this, since sex education falls under the domain of the American education system. Or at least it should, seeing as the States is one of the most sex-crazed countries in the world, it's fucking criminal that they withhold teaching children about sex to appease hypocritical Christian fundmentalists.

freddie
02-06-2006, 20:17
I completely agree with nath on the porn issue. The rampant misogyny featured in most porn is appalling. Women are treated as just orifices for guys to fuck. Rarely do you ever see a woman come in any of them, instead the porn ends when the guy comes. And he usually comes on the face of the woman which is unbelieveably demeaning. If there ever is a porn that does feature a woman coming then it is treated as some freak show thing, usually when the woman ejaculates.
And that is just porn from the States, nothing compared to the misogyny in Hentai (Japanese animated porn).

All this can have an unbelievlabley bad affect on children if they are ever exposed to this, which they are. There was news breakout in the States that told of an "epidemic" of 13 year olds having blow job parties. Most people were more concerned with the fact that children were having sex at all, which is rather naive. My concern is the fact that boys would have girls blow them but nobody would go down on the girls. Girls weren't enjoying sex, nor were expecting to enjoy it.

Obviously these children were getting their sex education from porn. Not that I'm blaming the porn industry for this, since sex education falls under the domain of the American education system. Or at least it should, seeing as the States is one of the most sex-crazed countries in the world, it's fucking criminal that they withhold teaching children about sex to appease hypocritical Christian fundmentalists.

I understand all that, but there's more too it. With prohibiting anything we're basically telling our children that there are things out there which they wouldn't be able to understand properly. What we're doing is not trusting them to make up their own opinion on the matter. I think any healthy (and most of all thinking) individual will instictively see porn is NOT a real representation of life (just like James Bond movies aren't and everyone knows that... doesn't matter if they're 10 or 57). I think when you look at it, what it basically comes down to is us underestimating our children and their ability to paint their own proper image of subjective reality.

dradeel
02-06-2006, 20:45
Paedophilia and homosexuality shouldn't be compared, IMHO. Laws to illegalize homosexuality were based on some puritanical bullshit deeming both it and paedophilia as perverted. Homosexuality deals with two consenting adults, not so with paedophilia. As spyretto said, it comes down to what age should consent be recognized. You can't just lower it to appease paedophiles because the legal ramifications would be massive.
I didn't compare it like that. I was more talking about the fact that if someone say they are pedo they will be treated like mental patients, without doing a single thing. I never implied that they should have the same rights for living out their sexuality like hetero or homosexual people - since, as you say, is adult to adult. Pedophelia wouldn't work as children are innocent and can't be responsible for their actions, plus they can be brainwashed and talked into doing alot of stuff in the easiests of ways. I would never agree with lowering the legal sex age to a minimum as this Dutch Party wishes to. I actually said in the end that I disagreed with them and that they are too extreme. All I'm saying is that society treat them unfairly... NOT by stopping them from having themselves with kids, but how society handles the person for actually being what he/she is. I support the fight against child pornography, I support heavy penalties for rapists, but I also want the well being for everybody, even the "worst".
It's kinda hard for me to explain in english, but anyways ... heh.
[off]The rampant misogyny featured in most porn is appalling. Women are treated as just orifices for guys to fuck. Rarely do you ever see a woman come in any of them, instead the porn ends when the guy comes. And he usually comes on the face of the woman which is unbelieveably demeaning. If there ever is a porn that does feature a woman coming then it is treated as some freak show thing, usually when the woman ejaculates.
And that is just porn from the States, nothing compared to the misogyny in Hentai (Japanese animated porn).
Heh. I don't wanna seem like a sleazy pornofreak here, but there are enough pornovids where women come. It's a fact that many women enjoys blowing men and it's a fact that many women enjoy the taste of sperm. I'm NOT saying this goes for everyone. Far from it, but still, the porno industry is filled with people who work with this all the time. They are professional fuckers, literally :laugh: In societies for different extremeties common things are looked upon as boring, and they search for new ways to enjoy themselves. Be it porn, music or art...

And I'd also like to say that the soft core part of the porno industry is bigger than the hard core part of it (as soft core includes most of the porno magazines, soft core movies, pin ups and what not -- where hard core simply doesn't fit in or isn't allowed). Soft core is by some looked upon as something beautiful, and hard core often shows some of the more things that aren't so pretty perhaps. There are something for every taste, for sure. And saying the whole industry is filled with the thought that women are items for men to use sexually isn't really fair. They have all chosen this line of work, and I don't think anyone is more of an item than others. What about all the gay porn out there? Lesbian-porn is a big business. Bigger than man-on-man at least. No men using women there... and again, women can have the dominating roles in movies. Most often they do ... if that's just the director feeding them lines (most probably it is) - who knows. Doubt anyone in here knows if it is or not.

(Heh, I wasn't sure where to stop, as I just started ranting on. Sorry. I might have gone tooooo off topic here :laugh:)

: There... a seperate thread for you pervs! (just kidding. :p)

haku
02-06-2006, 21:22
I have no time or inclination to enter that debate about porn, but i mostly agree with dradeel and rachel. :D I think that it's a myth that women are exploited or degraded in porn, they choose that line of work, they make good money, and many actually enjoy what they're doing, and many do like sperm (actresses who have a problem with it generally go for lesbian porn).
As for domination, it's not always women who are the submissive ones, there are loads of porn where men are the dominated ones and women are totally in charge (a quick search for "femdom" on any porn site will give you plenty of results).
And of course in gay or lesbian porn, there's no such issue since everybody is of the same gender. :p

robbie
02-06-2006, 21:25
LMAOO! :lol: I never saw this thread :p

: It's a continuation of the dutch paedophile party thread... the topic went stray a bit, cause everybody was discussing the porn issue. So I created a seperate thread for it.

dradeel
02-06-2006, 23:53
Freddie - :laugh: Just as well I guess. Hehe

haku - :yes:

forre
02-06-2006, 23:55
I got to rename the thread as words "porn, underage sex" are prohibited by many public browsers. It means that people won't be able to access the forum from the public place.

Rachel
03-06-2006, 12:23
nath, about kids not being able to tell reality and movies apart - honestly I think if a kid can't do that then they were gonna be a little screwed in the head anyway. Obviously these kids would have had no common sense in the first place.

And about women being used and degraded - honestly I think it's the people who buy it who are the ones getting used. They are the ones paying $30 for a few hrs of excitement. It's them that are slaves to their desire. Porn hurts no one except the buyers wallet! (Unless we are talking about underage stuff, that is a whole different issue.)

PowerPuff Grrl
03-06-2006, 12:26
And saying the whole industry is filled with the thought that women are items for men to use sexually isn't really fair. They have all chosen this line of work, and I don't think anyone is more of an item than others. What about all the gay porn out there? Lesbian-porn is a big business.
But it is porn, what else are men in porn going to use women for?
I'm not arguing that that the industry is abusing women (maybe back in the seventies, certainly not now). Just that the images themselves and how it is structured is pretty sexist. But I think this is the one domain however, where sexism can in fact flourish seeing as how it is porn we're talking about. Everything is acted out, nobody is hurt, and the viewer knows beforehand what he will be watching. That and porn is about seeing sexual desire come to life. You can't repress that stuff, better it come out in porn than in reality.

I just think viewership should be strictly limited to adults. Children should be forming their first impressions of sex from schools rather than learning it first from porn.

With prohibiting anything we're basically telling our children that there are things out there which they wouldn't be able to understand properly. What we're doing is not trusting them to make up their own opinion on the matter.
They can't make up their mind on the matter without first learning about it under a balanced environment, in this case school. It's like learning how to drive by watching NASCAR racing, you have to go through the driving instruction courses first.

PS: dradeel, it wasn't your English it was just me being presumptuous about the whole paedophile thing. My apologies.

marina
03-06-2006, 12:31
about kids not being able to tell reality and movies apart - honestly I think if a kid can't do that then they were gonna be a little screwed in the head anyway. Obviously these kids would have had no common sense in the first place.

O come on , Rachel ! You want to say that 12 y.o. kid watching the porn with 3-4 people in the scene shagging the brains of each other out , slapping the bitch for good measure , orally , through the anus and etc , so that kid is going to have the same reaction as grown-up ? could he be that in control with his reactions , emotions , understandings the whole thing as an adult ? Yeah , right ...I'm sure !

Rachel
03-06-2006, 12:47
Well, I saw all that at 12...and I like to think I'm relatively normal :spy:

It hasn't hurt me in any way.

I don't understand parents - they think letting their kids play violent games on the PSPs but porn is a big "no-no". Where is the consistency? Violence hurts people more than sex. (Unless we are talking about unconsented sex)

People are hypocrites.

QueenBee
03-06-2006, 13:06
Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with children watching porn and playing violent TV-games. I know I did a bit of both when I was younger and I'm totally normal... Right? :D

PowerPuff Grrl
03-06-2006, 13:44
Don't be so sure you gun-toting slut!
:p

Hmm...
I'll be the first to admit that I'm hypocritical in my attitudes towards sex and violence. I really don't think violence on tv and such is really all that harmful. Only in that people are taught at a really young age that violence is not the way to resolve conflicts and so they can clearly see violence in films, tv and video games as something unrealistic. Not so much with sex. Particularly in the States where sex is not discussed at all in the classroom or at least the best thing they can preach is abstinence (good luck with all that!), it would very difficult for people to see what can be expected and what cannot usually be excepted from sex.
This may be completely different from how sex is taught in Europe. So my observations are just limited to countries with no sex education.

Maybe just letting adults only is a little too restricting. But I still stand by that children should learn about sex in a more appropriate setting first.

dradeel
03-06-2006, 14:02
But it is porn, what else are men in porn going to use women for?
Same goes for women, doesn't it? :) As you say ... it's porn. :)
I'm not arguing that that the industry is abusing women (maybe back in the seventies, certainly not now). Just that the images themselves and how it is structured is pretty sexist.
Yeah, true, but you only see that in the hard core movies. In soft core movies they tend to be more "gentle", if you could use that word. They tend to make it more erotic and sensual...
I don't understand parents - they think letting their kids play violent games on the PSPs but porn is a big "no-no". Where is the consistency? Violence hurts people more than sex. (Unless we are talking about unconsented sex)

People are hypocrites.
True, people are hypocrites, but games with violence doesn't hurt kids, and honestly many kids find everything that has to do with sex and such for something ugly (ugly isn't the best word. I had complete blackout .. but you know what i mean. hehehe), so they wouldn't watch that to the same degree as some tough action hero. Either way, if kids want to see these things they'll be able to do it without the parents knowing it, and I don't think it will help if you stop it. If I ever get kids, I won't stop them from watching the movies they want or the games they want ... as I parent I'll always be abit protective when it comes to some extremeties, but if they wanna explore these fields it's totally ok for me.

- Anyways, I saw porn when I was 12, and I like to think that I've done pretty ok. I've never raped anyone, I don't think porn shows the reality as it is, I don't do violent sex and I'm not the one who's that keen on getting blowed either. Hmm... Shouldn't I be a gang-banging girl-slapping jerk since I've watched porn since I was that young? :)
Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with children watching porn and playing violent TV-games. I know I did a bit of both when I was younger and I'm totally normal... Right?
:yes:

xmad
03-06-2006, 15:35
I don't understand parents - they think letting their kids play violent games on the PSPs but porn is a big "no-no". Where is the consistency? Violence hurts people more than sex.
well,a big "no-no" for both of them. Is it ok now??
In my opinion kids have to be kids and act as their own age.

Rachel
03-06-2006, 15:37
well,a big "no-no" for both of them. Is it ok now??Well, at least it's consistant.

In my opinion kids have to be kids and act as their own age.You can't stop kids viewing stuff though. It is their choice to download etc something. No one forced me into downloading porn!

QueenBee
03-06-2006, 15:47
Kids have never really acted their age... at least until they reach a certain age, and we're not talking about 6 year olds here, right? Back in the oooooooooooold days, children got jobs when they were 13 - now they do drugs instead, and watch porn. :D

Don't be so sure you gun-toting slut!
LOL :laugh:

You can't stop kids viewing stuff though. It is their choice to download etc something.
Saying "No" NEVER freaking works with kids... they always do the opposite! My parents preached all my life about how bad smoking is for you, and look at me now. :dknow:

I think in the long run every person will do what he or she wants to do. Kids view porn 'cause they find it exciting (not necessarily arousing) and since it's "forbidden" for them, they want to watch it even more, to see what all the fuss is about and to feel that they are doing something they "shouldn't".

Rachel
03-06-2006, 15:52
Hah, I'm the same, Queenie. They actually think that right now I've given up :rolleyes: Riiiiight :rolleyes:

Sex is something natural so I don't see why there is such a taboo surrounding it. Just like nudity on TV. It's a freaking piece of your body. People have gotta remember that before we evolved we didn't wear clothes either. In the end we are just animals too. People need to get over it!

xmad
03-06-2006, 15:53
You can't stop kids viewing stuff though. It is their choice to download etc something. No one forced me into downloading porn!
Yes, they can it's their choice.But not a good stuff for the kids.

Rachel
03-06-2006, 15:55
Yes, they can it's their choice.But not a good stuff for the kids.That's what society has told you! Just like how society makes a big issue on nudity!

xmad
03-06-2006, 15:58
That's what society has told you!
No,that's my own idea.That's what I find it right.
Saying "No" NEVER freaking works with kids... they always do the opposite!
That's why,there has to be a rule to ban them.since they are not mature enough to recognize what is right and what isnt.

Rachel
03-06-2006, 16:15
That's why,there has to be a rule to ban them.since they are not mature enough to recognize what is right and what isnt.Since when has banning ever worked? What we said just proved it doesn't work.

dradeel
03-06-2006, 20:05
Sex is something natural so I don't see why there is such a taboo surrounding it. Just like nudity on TV. It's a freaking piece of your body. People have gotta remember that before we evolved we didn't wear clothes either. In the end we are just animals too. People need to get over it!
Mhmm... I agree. Nudity is innocent and natural. SEX is (not always innocent, hehehe) also natural. It's how we reproduce ... why should this be some kinda tabu? We owe everything to sex.

It's funny how religion can influence society like that. The sex-tabu is something christianity put upon us here in the west. Would you believe that the catholic church up to some 200 years ago actually ran their own brothels? And now it's all "sex is bad and should only be done after you're married". I'm not quite sure what changed them all along the way, but whatever it is it still "haunts" us. I'll have to watch a couple of episodes of Penn & Teller: Bullshit! to refresh my memory I guess. :)
That's why,there has to be a rule to ban them.since they are not mature enough to recognize what is right and what isnt.
As Rachel said; it doesn't work. In the end kids (or whoever) will be able to do what they wanna do, even if you want watchdogs to stay over them 24/7 like some DDR-duplicates. When someone wants to experience something new or is simply curious about something they WILL find ways to find out about it. They may like it or not ... but nothing will stop a curious human from doing what it wants, and that's GOOD!

We should try to be abit more loose on these things. We have several examples in _this_ forum that porn won't hurt your child. It won't become an evil rapist. And we have maaany examples in this forum that volent movies won't hurt your child, for sure. It won't become a serial killer. Me, and many others with me (plus years of years with studies) proves that computer games won't hurt you child ... you should be amazed how well they actually can tell fact from fiction. YES, they will sometimes act that they are "their hero in a movie or a game" - this mostly goes for boys I guess :laugh: But without their little movie heroes they will find other characters just like them that they can play. They will be pirates and play that they tar'n'feather someone. They will be ninjas that assassinate some general. They will be policemen or soldiers gunning down "bad guys". It's all games. They do not think this is all serious... And when it comes to porn and veeery young children, like 6-7-8 years old, they will find it disgusting and won't watch it. Boys don't even wanna be hugged by girls cause it's "icky". And when they're about 12 they are out of the danger zone imo (if there is one at all)...

xmad
03-06-2006, 21:19
Since when has banning ever worked? What we said just proved it doesn't work.
No actually it works.not the way as you think but it kinda works.Mankind always wants more if I let you move one step forward, you want to move more but if I say you cant move you will try to move one step.can you understand what I mean?
Who says ruls do not work?? even this site has its own ruls.as far as I know you've banned someone.
Sex is something natural so I don't see why there is such a taboo surrounding it. Just like nudity on TV. It's a freaking piece of your body. People have gotta remember that before we evolved we didn't wear clothes either. In the end we are just animals too. People need to get over it!
Yeah,it's natural.But that's not for the kids.
And about nudity:well you are free to go out whitout wearing anything.But I dont think you would be feeling alright.Yes,people didnt wear anything before but if they didnt feel that they need it, now we wouldnt wear anything either.so it proves that there was a need for having clothes.
Yeah, we are animals but I dont think other animals are happy with this.
When someone wants to experience something new or is simply curious about something they WILL find ways to find out about it. They may like it or not ... but nothing will stop a curious human from doing what it wants, and that's GOOD!
Yeah,that's right.but it's such a shame that nowadays kids are curious and willing to experience such things.

dradeel
03-06-2006, 22:15
well you are free to go out whitout wearing anything
Actually, no you aren't. On beaches and spots where it's thought that people might be going around topless and such then yeah. But you'll get a fine for doing it out in public in cities and such. :)
Yeah,that's right.but it's such a shame that nowadays kids are curious and willing to experience such things.
Why is that? I think it's a good thing that they experience thing on their own. You can say what you want about strong drugs, alchohol and nicotine, but really, if I'd ever catch my son or daughter who are 12 or 13 watching porn on the computer or even come home drunk I wouldn't get angry and yell at them telling them not to. I'd perhaps try to talk to them about it, cause it's when you get angry that they feel distant and won't cooperate with you, but if you talk to them gently they'll feel awkward and be abit more passive and watch themselves abit more.

I would never order them to do this or that, cause I believe that in the end they will do what is best for them. If you act like a watchdog over the kids they won't grow up as independant and strong beings. They'll lack a lot of knowledge to be able to take a stand when they get older. Ignorance is weak, experience is what counts... even if it's good or bad experience, that's the only way you'll learn and be able to give advices to people in the future built on your own experiences, not simple assumptions.

PowerPuff Grrl
03-06-2006, 22:20
Rules are made though to prevent people from violating other people's rights and freedoms. Prohibition of anything that doesn't violate other people's right and freedoms is excessive. You're basically telling people what they can and cannot do for themselves and that is, IMHO, an abused of law and order. Banning children from watching porn is excessive. And even if it were illegal, it would impossible to enforce. So it doesn't matter either way, children were/are/and always will be curious and unbelieveably resourceful, they'll figure out a way to get what they want.
Those little bastards.

Nudity is not even an issue. We only need clothes because it freaking suicide to wear nothing in negative 32 degrees celsius weather, plus windchill. If anything there isn't more nudity. I think it is sexist that there's an imbalance of nudity of women in films and not men. I want to see penises (penii? what's the plural for penus?) in films, dagnabit!

dradeel
03-06-2006, 22:26
PowerPuff Grrl - Hear, hear! :) I agree all the way. And more penises in movies? Weeeell I dunno. Heh. It's not like you see any vaginas in movies... There are enough movies where guys show off their muscels and women show their breasts. I guess that's how they balance it :dknow: Who knows... hehe.

haku
03-06-2006, 23:29
honestly I think it's the people who buy it who are the ones getting used. They are the ones paying $30 for a few hrs of excitement. It's them that are slaves to their desire.I use bit torrent… Does that still make me a slave? :gigi:
But yeah, i agree that in the end it's viewers and not actresses that are being used, porn actresses are the ones actually having fun, getting laid, and making money, while viewers are just spending money and getting a sore arm. :p

what's the plural for penus?Penises works for me. :D (I very much dislike pseudo latin plurals used in English)

Rachel
03-06-2006, 23:33
I use bit torrent… Does that still make me a slave? :gigi:Nope, it makes you a cheat of the system :gigi: Just like me :coctail:

QueenBee
04-06-2006, 02:25
but it's such a shame that nowadays kids are curious and willing to experience such things.
Why is it a bad thing if you are curious?
In life, people should see and experience as much as they can so that when the day comes, they don't lie on their death bed and think "Wow, my life was so empty." Of course kids watching porn isn't THAT extreme, it's not like they're gonna be dying and thinking "Omg why didn't I watch any porn?!", but I definitely don't think it's a shame that children are curious. They always have so many questions to ask and things they want to know, it stimulates their mind doesn't it?

marina
04-06-2006, 04:18
You are probably right .
Another couple of posts and you will convince me !
Surely , I don't want to end up on my death bed with bitter thinking : I still haven't seen some girl's gaping arsehole being hammered by a red-raw cock and then missed to see her choking on gallons of spunk. Besides , they are all so buff and fake-titted. It would be really pity if someone missed that !

Rachel
04-06-2006, 12:49
marina, that's not the only porn out there :no:

And if it was, really I still see no harm. :confused:

QueenBee
04-06-2006, 19:29
marina, that's really hardcore porn and as I said it's not the best example. I also said that it will probably not be what you're thinking when you're dying. But I do think that life is an opportunity to experience things. We are just human, and we have sex do we not? Sex is just a natural thing. We have a sex drive. Even children when they are growing are getting more curious about their bodies and are being told that they should experiement (with themselves) and discover themselves so to say. I don't see why they can't watch some porn in that case.

Personally I never watch porn, I just don't feel a need to do so, but that doesn't mean that no-one else should have a chance.

It doesn't really matter anyway, children will get a hold of porn if they want to.

dradeel
04-06-2006, 19:54
It's also important to know that in the age of 12-13 .. about there .. that's when the puberty kicks in seriously. The little bodies are filled with all kinds of hormons and feelings. They WILL get curious about these things and they will start feelings different needs. I think that porn would be a pretty peaceful thing for them to stimulate their hunger. They'll watch porn while they start moving their hands downstairs... I mean, it's pretty normal and nothing wrong with that. What is it that is so wrong with this REALLY? As said in earlier msg's, there are enough examples even in this forum that watching porn at that age is perfectly fine. I presume everybody in here are peaceful nonrapists that believe in equal rights for men and women and that we can tell the difference between real life sex with love and passion and the hard hitting sex with no strings attatched for those with special fetishes that porn vids are stuffed with... Come ooon!

It's up to each and everyone to decide for themselves if porn movies are ok or not. Just don't tell me that it's wrong for everyone because you think it is. I honestly believe that every human being will find that out by themselves and THAT'S why I think kids should be allowed to watch porn movies if they are curious about finding out what it's all about. If they like them, then good! That's one more stimulation for their brain (and genitals, obviously :laugh:). But if they don't like them that's just as fine... they won't bother watching them again and that's their business. I respect that. It won't harm them one way or the other!

xmad
04-06-2006, 20:13
if I'd ever catch my son or daughter who are 12 or 13 watching porn on the computer or even come home drunk I wouldn't get angry and yell at them telling them not to. I'd perhaps try to talk to them about it, cause it's when you get angry that they feel distant and won't cooperate with you, but if you talk to them gently they'll feel awkward and be abit more passive and watch themselves abit more.
I think kids should be allowed to watch porn movies if they are curious about finding out what it's all about.
dradeel,if it's ok why do you wanna talk to your kids gently to make them feel awkward?
or is it ok for the kids but your kids?

dradeel
05-06-2006, 00:14
dradeel,if it's ok why do you wanna talk to your kids gently to make them feel awkward?
or is it ok for the kids but your kids?
You totally misunderstood me:
I'd talk to them, not tell them what to do... If I walk up on my son sitting there watching porn, I'd talk to him about it, so that he'd be more careful and wouldn't watch porn when I can come in and see him wank off right before my eyes. It's for his and my own best :D Never would I tell my kids not to watch porn at all. They would have to find that out by themselves if so would be the case. By approaching kids in a decent matter by talking to them face to face -- you know, the flower and the bee-conversation and all that -- they will feel awkward, won't they? Awkward doesn't mean they can't do it again. But it means that they won't get angry at me for yelling at them and won't cooperate with me in any matter at all. Banning never works!

I said that I'd rather talk to them so they would feel awkward and then be more passive, meaning: hide their stack of porno magz or vids for that matter, or if it's about alchohol or drugs - be more careful with what the put into their bodies, and perhaps not come home as drunk "as last night". I'd never in my life yell at them and tell them not to - as I said I wouldn't. Aye?

xmad
05-06-2006, 09:14
You totally misunderstood me:
No,I understood you well.I got your points.But they are not compatible.If they are allowed to do something so it means there's no need to hide.

But all I'm saying is that those stuff is related to adults. and kids will know about it later, not when they're still kids.Like driving, kids can not drive the car coz they're still kids.they are curious and willing to drive but it's not a good reason to let them drive.Do you get my point?

Rachel
05-06-2006, 15:55
xmad, there are some shitty adult drivers out there too. Just because you hit a certain age doesn't mean you are now great at something or should be doing something.

When it comes down to it everyone is different and everyone grows at their own pace. Some faster than others. And we should respect that.

marina
05-06-2006, 16:32
i'm still not convinced ...but i'm close to this ! :laugh:
you could learn a lot of interesting things watching the porn ( sorry if you read it already but it still funny!)

30 things you learn from watching porn:

1. Women wear high heels to bed.
2. Men are never impotent.
3. When going down on a woman 10 seconds is more than satisfactory.
4. If a woman gets busted masturbating by a strange man, she will not scream with embarrassment, but rather insist he have sex with her.
5. Women smile appreciatively when men splat them in the face with sperm.
6. Women enjoy having sex with ugly, middle-aged men.
7. Women moan uncontrollably when giving a blowjob.
8. Women always orgasm when men do.
9. A blowjob will always get a woman off a speeding ticket.
10. All women are noisy fucks.
11. People in the 70s couldn't fuck unless there was a wild guitar solo in the background.
12. Those tits are real.
13. A common and enjoyable sexual practice for a man is to take his half-erect penis and slap it repeatedly on a woman's butt.
14. Men always groan "OH YEAH!" when they cum.
15. If there is two of them they "high five" each other. (and the girl isn't disgusted!)
16. Double penetration makes women smile.
17. Asian men don't exist.
18. If you come across a guy and his girlfriend having sex in the bushes, the boyfriend won't bash seven shades of shit out of you if you shove your cock in his girlfriend's mouth.
19. There's a plot.
20. When taking a woman from behind, a man can really excite a woman by giving her a gentle slap on the butt.
21. Nurses suck patient's cocks.
22. Men always pull out.
23. When your girlfriend busts you getting head from her best friend, she'll only be momentarily pissed off before fucking the both of you.
24. Women never have headaches... or periods.
25. When a woman is sucking a man's cock, it's important for him to remind her to "suck it".
26. Assholes are clean.
27. A man ejaculating on a woman's butt is a satisfying result for all parties concerned.
28. Women always look pleasantly surprised when they open a man's trousers and find a cock there.
29. Men don't have to beg.
30. When standing during a blowjob, a man will always place one hand firmly on the back of the kneeling woman's head and the other proudly on his hip.

PowerPuff Grrl
05-06-2006, 17:48
11. People in the 70s couldn't fuck unless there was a wild guitar solo in the background.


Seriously, I cannot fuck without it.
Now where is my guitar?
Ah yes!
boiw chica-chica boiw-boiw

freddie
06-06-2006, 01:07
6. Women enjoy having sex with ugly, middle-aged men.

This CAN be true in certain cases. Especially if the ugly middle-aged man in question has a huge bank account...


9. A blowjob will always get a woman off a speeding ticket.
A grain of truth in this one as well. :p

dradeel
06-06-2006, 02:51
No,I understood you well.I got your points.But they are not compatible.If they are allowed to do something so it means there's no need to hide.
I might have chosen my words wrongly, I apologize that. I never ment hide as in "hide in shame" or "to not get caught because it's dangerous or not allowed", but more: "let it be a private matter. But know that we know, so you also know that we're cool about it ..." :) All I was trying to say is that if adults rather talk to their kids in a sensible way instead of getting angry, kids won't get angry back at you, and they WILL turn out to be super persons - meaning they'll go out and drink on parties and everything, knowing that they have parents at home that will help them if they end up in trouble, and won't get fucking pissed at them for _drinking_, cause that isn't a problem.

Like driving, kids can not drive the car coz they're still kids.they are curious and willing to drive but it's not a good reason to let them drive.Do you get my point?
With driving cars you need skills. It takes no skill in drinking alchohol and having a good time or wanking off to some porn. With driving cars comes many REAL risks and the danger of fatally hurting other people. With alchohol you'd perhaps be able to hurt yourself, but noone really wanna do that when they drink. Most people only want to have a good time. And porn isn't dangerous. THAT'S WHY it's ok for kids to be curious about these things and actually try them out. You can't compare that with the curiousity of driving a car. If they try out a car without any knowledge about safe driving, then their stupid. Noone can argue that. But I do think that kids should learn about traffic rules and car driving at an early age. I didn't start until I was 17, cause we can't get the driver's liscence until we're 18. I honestly believe that it's much safer to put 14-15 year olds out on the road than 18 year olds! 15 year olds can be just as educated about the traffic rules and stuff, but noone acts as "tough and cool" as someone between 18 and 20. Cause then you're OLD and you've the right to do stuff, man. When you're little you actually know better. I know I did. :laugh:

haku
21-06-2006, 14:48
More and more women watch porn. (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2006280394,00.html) :10x:

This is interesting:
I think a lot of the reason people think women don’t respond to sexual images is because a lot of the images available of men are actually aimed at the gay market.
Women tend to prefer men with hairy legs and chests rather than shaved men covered in body oil.
According to the feedback we get from our readers about images of men, women like looking at men who are aroused (erect).
We don't have many straight girls here but what are your thoughts?
If you're looking at pictures/videos of naked men, do you prefer the fully waxed type found in gay porn, or do you prefer some manly body hair? And do you prefer those naked men to have limp or erect penises? :D

QueenBee
21-06-2006, 16:07
If you're looking at pictures/videos of naked men, do you prefer the fully waxed type found in gay porn, or do you prefer some manly body hair?
I don't watch porn so I can't really "remember", haha, but I must say I HATE body hair. I would probably still prefer hairy men in pornos just because they look so fake and unnatural when completely shaven and oiled in. Like they're made out of plastic.

And do you prefer those naked men to have limp or erect penises?
Probably erect. Otherwise to me it's just a naked man and nothing sexual really...

marina
21-06-2006, 16:37
I call it b/s ! Women don't watch much of porn or not so much as men because....
it simply not turns them on like it does for men. Women are far more ATTRACTED to things like attitude, confidence, body language, humor, of course looks or money.
Do you see it in a porn ? No.
Women like stories. Like , she is a nice girl , he is a nice man , he has a girlfriend , her boyfriend made a pass on his girl , blah blah blah..they want to be together but couldn't , she run away , everyone has broken heart ....then after 2 and a half hours of this hallabalou they suddenly together (at last !!!) in a room , tearing each other clothes off , wrigling on the stairs not able even to get upstairs to the bedroom ....and we all AHHHHHhhhhhh !!!!!
But if you cut down all this bullshit down to the last 20 minut of actual business:D not too many girls would be turned on !
Besides , women are very sly , if she feels attraction to you she'll go out of her way to find good reasons to be with you...
Oh , he is hairy ? --- I simply love hairy cuddly men ...
He shaves it all ?--- How nice , I always dream of it , much better than be next to a hairy monkey...



And do you prefer those naked men to have limp or erect penises?

I don't really know....both okey , I think .

PowerPuff Grrl
22-06-2006, 03:59
We don't have many straight girls here but what are your thoughts?
If you're looking at pictures/videos of naked men, do you prefer the fully waxed type found in gay porn, or do you prefer some manly body hair? And do you prefer those naked men to have limp or erect penises? :D

If there was ever a question asked that was meant to be answered by me, this would be it.

I would tend to agree with marina on this. Most women do find personality and character as appealing as say ravishing good looks, abs of steel and... girth. (On a side note one the sexiest people alive, IMHO, is Alan Rickman. Not conventionally good looking but his voice alone along with the character he played in Sense and Sensibiilty is enough to make me overlook the fact that he may very well be hung like a hamster.) So the ideal porn would be some guy romancing some woman for twenty minutes and then banging the fuck out of her. (Banging must include 15 minutes of cunnilingus, it would only add to his character development of course!).

As for me though, I don't mind bodies with or without hair. Though I do prefer hair on chests and legs, just not on the back, ass or anywhere near the groin. And if hairless, I don't like those twinks that are on gay porn. It's too disturbing seeing a guy looking like he's twelve years old with a gargantuan erection while being rammed from behind. I like seeing adults with gargantuan erections being rammed from behind thank you very much!

dradeel
22-06-2006, 05:49
Hmm... I dunno. I think it's a little bit of a myth that men only go for looks and women tend to go more after personality and character. I'd say it's somewhere divided in the middle for both the sexes really.

Me personally actually don't go for looks as many others do. Sure, "hot women" turn me on sexually, but I like it much more when I'm "turned on mentally" as well. And when it comes to things that fascinates me and turns me on, then eyes and a special face are the absolute winners. If I were to choose a girl I'd much rather go for the intelligent girl with the mysterious looking face rather than the standard good looking girl with porcelain skin. Simply because incredible eyes and a complex personality and a bright mind turns me on a hell of a lot more than some random good looking girl. Also, I have this thing for languages and accents, and surely, that's not linked to looks :p

And porn? I think what haku linked to shows that girls acctually DO watch porn, and why deny it? I mean, so what if girls watch porn almost as much as men do? It's not like it causes any harm to anyone. The world won't go under...

And I can't see why it's so important for women to prove their innocense; that they don't watch porn at all. Know that we're not talking about ALL women, but _some_. Not all men watch porn either. However I think it's just much more accepted for guys to say: "Yeah, I watch porn. So?" than it is for girls... and I think girls would rather avoid talking about porn, cause they either dislike it or actually watch it but don't want to tell anyone. Of course, I can't know this for a fact since I'm not a woman :p but I believe it's somewhere near the truth. And I guess if my suspicions are correct I will never get to know the answer. Hehehe.

And I'd just like to add: I don't think I know of anyone who's more body-fixated than some of my female friends. They all go like: "woaaah look at that body", "what a sexy six-pack" or "look at that hot ass" when they see some standard muscular guy flexing his body. I'd never say something like: "wow, look at those nice tits" or "gaaawd, she has a great ass" - simply because that's not what I'm primarly looking for... If I were to comment anything I'd comment the face. :)

Not all men are alike, and neither are women!

haku
22-06-2006, 12:53
then after 2 and a half hours of this hallabalou they suddenly together (at last !!!)Haha, yeah, it's the famous chick flicks that get men asleep after 10 minutes. :D If porn was like that, men would skip directly to the fucking part anyway without watching the rest.

girth
gargantuan erectionSo size does matter, huh? :D Women (not all of them, but many) do fantasize about very large penises.

I like seeing adults with gargantuan erections being rammed from behind thank you very much!Haha. :D This is interesting, everybody knows that straight men like to watch women fucking each other, but it's not so well known what straight women think of men fucking each other.
Would you say that many straight women are turned on by men having sex, just as much as straight men are turned on by women having sex?

marina
22-06-2006, 13:39
And I can't see why it's so important for women to prove their innocense; that they don't watch porn at all.

No , you got it all wrong ! I didn't mean to say that . It's nothing to do with innocense , women might be even more horny than some man....only women prefer the different ways , visual sexual image is not so important for a woman as it important for a man. For example : some horny girl prefers to read or even listen on the phone how some sleezy guy telling her * what I gonna do to you babe ...and blah blah blah ...in all graphic details about his big cock and everything * INSTEAD of just looking once on the pic where he is naked.
Man could get aroused by just looking at the image of nice female body (he doesn't know her , she is a stranger with nice body) . It's different with girls , very unrealistic for them to get really sexually aroused just by looking at the man's penis . And it's absolutely nothing to do with innocense. ;)

Haha. This is interesting, everybody knows that straight men like to watch women fucking each other, but it's not so well known what straight women think of men fucking each other.
Would you say that many straight women are turned on by men having sex, just as much as straight men are turned on by women having sex?

Given the choice to watch :
1. straight couple porn
2 girls
3 boys
and NO choice to escape from it at all .....I would pick up boy's porn.

And I have no explanation for that :)

spyretto
22-06-2006, 13:42
hey, guys are we discussing porn now?
Porn is disgusting, I mean look at all those porn stars, they're weirdos.
Why would you wanna watch this shit when you can be in, hmm, more "genuine" material?

dradeel
22-06-2006, 13:51
For example : some horny girl prefers to read or even listen on the phone how some sleezy guy telling her * what I gonna do to you babe ...and blah blah blah ...in all graphic details about his big cock and everything
Could very well be that a bigger percentage of women do find that more pleasurable, indeed. I'm a man, and aye, I don't think sex-phones are something I'd enjoy, for sure. :p

But still, you can't go around the fact that _some_ women like the "virtual sexual image" - like porno movies. The site that haku showed actually said that there were 3 times more men who watched porn (if I remember correctly. at least more men than women), so still, there are women who prefer it. I mean, women can enjoy it, aye? :)

marina
22-06-2006, 13:55
But still, you can't go around the fact that _some_ women like the "virtual sexual image" - like porno movies. The site that haku showed actually said that there were 3 times more men who watched porn (if I remember correctly. at least more men than women), so still, women there women who could prefer it. I mean, women can enjoy it, aye?

Yes , for sure ! ;)

dradeel
22-06-2006, 14:08
Yes , for sure !
Hehe, super. Then that's settled :p

spyretto
22-06-2006, 14:16
Hey, why do I think that women prefer fantasicing rather than visual stimuli? ( ie pornography )
That's better cause they can get it on anytime!

haku
22-06-2006, 14:19
Given the choice to watch :
1. straight couple porn
2 girls
3 boys
and NO choice to escape from it at all .....I would pick up boy's porn.

And I have no explanation for that :)Thanks for the honest reply. :D

I remember that in the show 'Sex In The City', the women in there liked to watch gay porn, so it must not be that rare for staight women to enjoy seeing men having sex. :gigi:

But yeah, you're absolutely right about most women enjoying reading more than watching for example, most erotic and porn books are bought by women, practically no men buys porn books, men will go for porn mags with photos.
And without going very far, several other Tatu forums have loads of fanfics where Yulia and Lena fuck each other's brains out, and 99% or the readers are females. :D

spyretto
22-06-2006, 14:54
Thanks for the honest reply. :D

And without going very far, several other Tatu forums have loads of fanfics where Yulia and Lena fuck each other's brains out, and 99% or the readers are females. :D

So that's what the fanfics are all about? Damn, I never managed to go more than a few paragraphs into them. And there was no phooking there, just some general descriptions of the surroundings :p.
without an inkling of advertising can you direct me to those joicy fanfics that still exist on those forums, haku?

haku
22-06-2006, 15:28
without an inkling of advertising can you direct me to those joicy fanfics that still exist on those forums, haku?
Sure. :D

Here (http://tatu.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16878&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=120&sid=8c94204f798818233c1e91ff73c5947d) - Scroll down to chapter 17.

Here (http://www.tatu.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15782&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=160) - Scroll down to chapter 20 part 4.

Here (http://tatu.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16664&sid=04243d935903972cdc6a61f85badae49) and also here (http://tatu.us/forum/viewtopic.php?p=470235).

Those are only a few links, i'm sure there's many more porn chapters in all those fanfics over there, but like marina said, there's generally something like 20 chapters of 'she loves me, she loves me not' before getting to the action. :laugh:

dradeel
22-06-2006, 15:29
I remember that in the show 'Sex In The City', the women in there liked to watch gay porn, so it must not be that rare for staight women to enjoy seeing men having sex.
Aye, I have several lady friends who have said that one of the sexiest thing they know is seeing men kiss. I guess it's same for men who think girls kissing are sexy. Men and women are less different than one might think :)

nath
22-06-2006, 16:32
And I have no explanation for that
Because you would feel more distant so may be less "guilty"...*1 cent /psychology sorry*...:lalala:

We are desesparatly too romantic even in our sexuality Marina:)

spyretto
22-06-2006, 17:15
Sure. :D

Here (http://tatu.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16878&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=120&sid=8c94204f798818233c1e91ff73c5947d) - Scroll down to chapter 17.

Here (http://www.tatu.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15782&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=160) - Scroll down to chapter 20 part 4.

Here (http://tatu.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16664&sid=04243d935903972cdc6a61f85badae49) and also here (http://tatu.us/forum/viewtopic.php?p=470235).

Those are only a few links, i'm sure there's many more porn chapters in all those fanfics over there, but like marina said, there's generally something like 20 chapters of 'she loves me, she loves me not' before getting to the action. :laugh:

Those sex chapters almost put me to sleep! I had a difficult time reading through them, so booooring! :bum:
But yeah they're like erotic literature , the kind that women like to read. ( not porn, though ) They could have been written for a generic couple, not necessarilty for Y&L. I mean it was so cliche, duh! Some touching and rubbing, some fingering and that was it...very tamed.
Thanks ;)

Rachel
22-06-2006, 19:45
I like those kinda chapters, a lot :yes:

spyretto
22-06-2006, 19:48
I like those kinda chapters, a lot :yes:

Are you insomniac by any chance?
I mean, hello, 13 chapters of how the weather was before getting to the nitty-gritty? and then the nitty-gritty not being nitty-gritty enough? Solly, methinks me pass.

Rachel
22-06-2006, 19:51
spy, I don't read the other chapters :no: Only the juicy stuff :yes:

spyretto
22-06-2006, 19:52
spy, I don't read the other chapters :no: Only the juicy stuff :yes:

hmm, ok then.
But thanks to haku for pointing them out, otherwise I wouldn't get into the errand of spotting them.
All we need now is some real hardcore stuff!

freddie
22-06-2006, 23:29
Women prefer hairy men? You learn new things every day.. *goes back to reading "Women - FAQ"*

In any case... I do agree that women dislike porn because of it's banality and degradation of everything turning into a close up of two genitals doing their evolutionary duties. Cause lets face it - on average porn is tailor-made for men. Which is a shame actually, cause there's so much potential there, but it's vastly unused. The way most porn stuff is directed it's like a drama movie only showing the protagonists bawling their eyes out when someone breaks their hearts. You get cheated out of that catharsis goodness, which is just as possible in a good porn movie as it is in Gone With The Wind or Last Tango in Paris... but don't get me wrong. Porn should still be aware of it's origin and purpose. I've watched a quasi arts porn movie once and all I don't want to watch one ever again. 'Nuff said.

In any case... yeah, the forgotten art cunnilingus is majorly discriminated against (except in lesbian porn, of course). It's the porn orphan! Mostly cause for an average avid porn watching male the whole act is like paying an entrance fee, rather than the purpose of it all. Which is also a shame. :p

Not that I ever DO watch porn though... :lalala:

Rachel
22-06-2006, 23:41
All we need now is some real hardcore stuff!What is your idea of hardcore? Straight porn? :rolleyes:

spyretto
22-06-2006, 23:43
Porn can be very addictive...but naked people are more of a turn on...I think
quasi art porn movies? There are some really good ones: like the Greek "Hardcore"...or the Canadian "Sleep With Me"... they're not porn though.
Maybe you're referring to something like "Cafe Flesh"? or "The Story Of the Eye?"


What is your idea of hardcore? Straight porn?

not necessarily...something that can be a turn-on. Those stories weren't. They were banal.

Rachel
22-06-2006, 23:45
not necessarily...something that can be a turn-on. Those stories weren't. They were banal.Because there are emotions mentioned? You see, not everyone gets turned on by the same thing :rolleyes: Like what was mentioned before, female minds are very different.

spyretto
22-06-2006, 23:49
Because there are emotions mentioned? You see, not everyone gets turned on by the same thing :rolleyes: Like what was mentioned before, female minds are very different.

On the contrary, there wasn't enough emotion that's why they're banal. Not anything involving two girls can be emotional.

Rachel
22-06-2006, 23:51
Not anything involving two girls can be emotional.You're not gonna get a rise out of me :no:

spyretto
22-06-2006, 23:53
You're not gonna get a rise out of me :no:

It's ok...
It'll take me about an hour to explain it to you and I'm bored to do that now. :p

QueenBee
23-06-2006, 00:08
Not anything involving two girls can be emotional.
Trying to stir up drama or something?

Those fanfics were quite nice actually. I mean the sex chapters of course. Not too bad.

Rachel
23-06-2006, 00:26
Trying to stir up drama or something?Spy wants a fight, I'm not gonna give him the satisfaction :no:

Those fanfics were quite nice actually. I mean the sex chapters of course. Not too bad.Exactly what I think :yes:

spyretto
23-06-2006, 00:35
Spy wants a fight, I'm not gonna give him the satisfaction :no:

I don't. If I wanted a fight, I'd create a personal attack a la Mossopp.
I'm just stating my opinion ( who would want to fight over Savicheva and some lousy fanfics ? plleeease! )