Tatu in Podnebesnaya. Releases from 21.02.04 and 22.02.04. [aka Eps. 11 & 12] [Archive]

la aurora

21-02-2004, 22:56

So... here we go. No old footage this time.

It began with repeating on what happened last weekend. LoL. It was funny how some guy said: 'I warned you girls were upset. U should buy them some nice cars' LoL

So... Katya Nechayva was invited to Moscow.

It's not clear what Ivan plans to do. He changes his mind constantly. First he says he's going to leave the songs recordered by Y&L as they are and some Natasha will sing the rest. Then when he talks to BBC reporter, he says he will record the songs himself to show them to Y&L like he always does. he even sang it live. God... that was a awful as usual... V kosmose skvoznyaki... lol. When he was asked what he would do if girls refuse to sing, he said he could record those songs himself and that even that reporter could sing them... doesn't matter who wll if girls refuse. Someone can always do it. He also said the songs were ready... just girls refuse to record them. When asked if he knows what to do Ivan said 'Yes. I know. So we'll see'. Reporter laughed and asked if it was 'I know' or 'We'll see'. Ivan said: "I know that we'll see". LoL
Then discussing the future with one of his managers, Ivan said he had Katya and some other girl to sing the songs. So if they do casting, it would be just for reality show.

Lena's flat was shown with her step father showing a huge poster Interscope sent them as a present... 4 mln records sold worldwide was written there. Lena's lil sister said she loves her sister but she's not a TATU fan.

Big part of the episode was devoted to MTV Asia awards. They couldn't decide what to do. Bobza said they changed decision 5 times. First girls recordered some video to sent to Singapour as noone was going to fly there. Both Yulia and Lena were on the tape. But MTV guys refused to take it. So someone had to go. Yulia said she wasn't going to spend 20 hours in the plane just to spend few hours there and then go back. Later lena was shown preparing to leave... and Yulia was lying in her bed saying she felt pity for poor kid Lena who had to go. That Lena is always like that... that she won't argue or something. And that Yulia thought it was useless to go there in such mood. She said she was sure Lena will be crying in the plane... or may be she even cried at the moment. Coz it was a holiday and she wanted to spend it with her family or bf... and that it was wrong to mock at tem this way. hile Lena was there at the ceremony, Yulia was cutting Pasha's nails and he seemed to absolutely ignore her. LoL

Then Lena was shown in the airport... quite sad... she said she was too kind. And that they (she was talking to Bobza but meant whole TATU camp i think) ruined her life. It was in a half-joking way but still... Then Bobza said they didn't know what to do. And that first both girls said they were not going... then Yulia's mom called and said they were going... then after the car was sent to them she called again and said it was a final decision that they are not going.
So Lena went there, took the award and then was shown in the hotel room... saying how much she wanted to be home... saying hi to lots of ppl... in 'I'm a lil kid missing my mom' way... Then she almost fell asleep. But she called her relatives, friends to tell they got that breakthrough award. Then she was reminded to call Yulia and Vanya. About Yulia she said 'yep... I forgot about her. gonna call'. At Mansky's remark that Yulia must be worried now, she said "Volkova is never worried. She's always calm as a boa'. And she called Ivan to inform him about the reward. She said 'I congratulate you. Are u glad?' But it was a short talk as MTV guys were waiting for an interview or something...

Yulia's dad was wondering what Ivan could offer to get girls back, but Yulia said no matter what excuses and promises he makes, Lena and her don't want to work with him anymore.

Belochka was played. it was recordered by lena. Not even half as bad as it could be. Everyone said it was going to be a hit and that they had the 1st song for the new album. Ivan said they had 8 already.

Then Nechaeva was talking about the future of TATU. She said without Ivan there would be no TATU and that leaving Vanya and trying to save TATU had no sence. They needed to change everything or even go solo. She also said if Vanya finds new girls for TATU it wouldn't work. She also added that 1 year ago there were plans to put her in TATU. That she even had to cut her hair but nothing happened.

Yulia seems not to like Katya. She says that girl tries to look like her, that whatever she did with her look, next day Nechaeva had it as well. LoL

Last scene was pretty *cough* interesting. Two absolutely naked girls... wearing only headphones standing near the mic and posing for the camera. Everyone around watching. No comments here.

Final subtitle said: 'TATU in Podnebesnaya is about to finish. Ivan's head is full of plans but we'll talk about it tomorrow'. That's it.

Edit: lol i forgot some cool detail. DJ Groove came to Ivan and brought him some track. It was a music with Y&L's voices over it saying what a bastard Ivan really was... lol. Sounded cool... those phrses were quite in rythm. And the main thing: Ivan liked it and asked for the full version. lol What's going on in this guy's head?

Unplugged

21-02-2004, 23:17

Thanks once again for your report, sunny poison :rose:

And thanks to Kate for the mp3 too :rose:

He also said the songs were ready... just girls refuse to record them

Yeah. The songs are ready - but the girls won't sing them. Just a 'small' detail :gigi: :laugh:

Yulia said she wasn't going to spend 20 hours in the plane just to spend few hours there and then go back.

How professional :rolleyes: "No, I won't go to Singapore to receive an award from my fans who are dying to see me. Who cares about fans, I'll just stay here with Pasha cutting his nails" :rolleyes:

Ningyo

21-02-2004, 23:21

Originally posted by katbeidar
Added "Belochka" ["Squirrel"] MP3 to the post with lyrics.

Thanks for the link Kate, I'm downloading it already. :done:

ETA:

And thanks Hare, for getting us the mp3. :D

Kate

21-02-2004, 23:22

staringelf, thank Hare for the mp3. I just copy and pasted the link, and Hare recorded the song, converted it into an mp3, uploaded it to her server, and did a whole lot more then me. :rose: Thank you, Hare. :rose: :rose:

la aurora

21-02-2004, 23:25

staringelf, yeah... professional... and her first and main argument was: 'I don't want to' :rolleyes:

And Kate, Hare, thanks for mp3. I actually liked the song. It's quite touchy...

btw, i forgot something in my post so I edited it.

thegurgi

21-02-2004, 23:36

Hare, I Love You!

Thanks Everyone

dare2dream28

21-02-2004, 23:38

Thanks hare and kat for the MP3/link. :) And thanks sunny poison for the summary.

Now, is it me, or does anyone else see something wrong with this:

... and Yulia was lying in her bed saying she felt pity for poor kid Lena who had to go. That Lena is always like that... that she won't argue or something. And that Yulia thought it was useless to go there in such mood. She said she was sure Lena will be crying in the plane... or may be she even cried at the moment

:none:

Kate

21-02-2004, 23:39

sunny poison, thank you for the report. It was interesting. Lol. It's a pity that no one will upload Shaps singing. :gigi:

dare2dream28, what's wrong with that? Julia is always rude.

Unplugged

21-02-2004, 23:44

About the song... I love Lena's voice in it, and the melody seems to be nice. With those lyrics, the song could have been a disaster, but they created it in a really nice way. And let me say this just one more time: I LOVE LENA'S SEXY SOOTHING VOICE :love: :yes:

thegurgi

21-02-2004, 23:58

i for one was VERY suprised at this song... it's not how i thought it would be. With a bit more work i think it could be really good... but that's just me.

Igor

22-02-2004, 00:12

katbeidar, :blabla:

Song here:
http://hare-tatu.narod.ru/download/belochka.mp3
(TatySite.net Users only)

Thanks to hare.

Kate

22-02-2004, 00:16

Igor, :bebebe:

:rolleyes:

You are acting like a child.

Certainly. But I from thread do not remove the messages.

Ya ubrala ih potomu chto ya iz nih vyrezala ssylki i slova k pesne dlya novoi temy, durak. Kakoi smysl ih imet' tut? A zanovo vse pechatat' mne len'. Ya chto, dlya zabavy udalyayu soobscheniya?

cirrus

22-02-2004, 00:26

That song is....

I'm with thegurgi, surprised. I love the bells and pad in the background...it's very airy and open. The vocals sound strange though... it's so calm.

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I can see the video now: since the girls won't appear, Ivan will use clips of squirrels out in the wild....eating nuts....chasing other squirrels....like one of those nature programs :D

thegurgi

22-02-2004, 00:31

i really like it, it makes me want them to finish this album...

I can see some harmony being added to it and other greatness.... but i really like it.

Kate, did a Tatysite member really write it? Could they explain the whole Squirrel/Bunny thing?

:: and could you please put those lyrics back up too ?? pretty please ::

dare2dream28

22-02-2004, 00:32

Wow. Lena's voice sounds *excellent*! It flows very well and the rhythm is nice too. I have to laugh because the only words I understand are devochki & malchik. My roomie, the only person off-line that knows I listen to tatu said it would be funny as hell to try and see me have a conversation in Russian with someone. She's like "The only words you'd be saying would be describing fake lesbians and then something to do with a robot and simple moves." :p

Kate

22-02-2004, 00:32

thegurgi, I think he explained it on the Russian forum. I'll go check it out later, and translate it. Ok?

thegurgi

22-02-2004, 00:35

That's ok, Kate, take your time, and thanks in advance!

he must be pretty amazed to hear it, i know i would.
He should be proud too... it's quite amazingly soft and powerful

:: i've listened to it for a ten minutes ::

Kate

22-02-2004, 00:37

I didn't like the song. No suprises there. Lol. :p

Igor

22-02-2004, 00:41

May be a song Katya Nechaeva sings. :dead:

haku

22-02-2004, 00:45

Thanks sunny poison for the detailed report! :rose:

Thanks hare for the file, and thanks katbeidar for the early details.

I just listened to Belochka and i didn't really like it but that's not surprising, Tatu has always been at the limit of what i like, this is just way out of it.

And sunny poison? So they showed Lena's new apartment, the one she bought? Is it as small as they said in the article?

angeljas01

22-02-2004, 02:40

Thanks for the report Sunny!
Thanks Hare and Kat for the mp3!

haku

22-02-2004, 02:51

Originally posted by dare2dream28
Now, is it me, or does anyone else see something wrong with this:
Yeah, i know what you mean, we've already seen that Yulia often orders Lena around. Lena is too nice, she doesn't like conflict, and to avoid arguing she ends up doing what she's told, even when she doesn't feel like it. Lena doesn't seem too happy about her situation in the band right now, the rumors she wants to leave to be on her own seems more and more plausible, and seeing how Yulia is treating her, i'm hoping that she's going to do it soon.

You have to say something about Yulia, she's honest in a weird way. She can't be bothered to go to the awards and she simply says it. She thinks Lena is weak and she says it as well.
Whatever the RS is, this kind of statements are going to leave wounds. :none:

denial

22-02-2004, 03:20

:eek: .. I CAN'T BELIEVE YULIA DID THAT!!

...and I love that song Belochka .... it sound sad .. and touching ...

Edit:
Here the translation with translator. can't help much: I get the words from Veter post at Russian site.

Белочка

А если нам убежать
И не обозначиться
Пробелы не нажимать
Последний не спрячется
Размазаны красками
Тупыми распросами
Растанемся с масками
И мы станем взрослыми.
Но трудно быть мальчиком, если ты девочка,
Трудно быть девочкой, если ты мальчик
А... а может я буду белочкой
А... а может ты будешь зайчиком

And if to us to escape
And to not be designated
Blanks to not press
Last will not hide
Are smeared by paints
Stupid распросами
Растанемся with masks
And we become adults.
But it is difficult to be the boy, if you the girl,
It is difficult to be the girl, if you the boy
А.. And I can shall белочкой
А.. And you can will зайчиком

:lol: .. So this is the Squirrel song? LoL LoL .. I thought I said somewhere before that this song could be a sad and touching song ...and IT IS!!! LoL LoL ..just the lyric is weird. :none:

Agree with thegurgi ...after some touch up it'll be a good song. :done:

Who sing this ? Lena ?

OT:
Anyway.. I am very thankful this morning .. I woke up.. check tatysite .. and there .. my wish came true .. was really-really wanting to hear this song. And the melody is beautiful.

Edit 2:
::::criessss::::: its so nice......
Seriously... this song is like .... enchanted.... I've been listening over and over .....

sings.....'a...a mozet ti budesh zashjekam' ....mmmmm... LoL LoL ..and that was suppose to mean 'you'll be the bunny'? .. LoL .. LoL .. but its nice !!!

Kate

22-02-2004, 04:31

The lyrics are here:

If we run away
And not be marked
Not push blanks
The last one won't hide
Washed away paints
With silly questions
Part with masks
We become adults.
But it's hard to be a boy if you are a girl,
And it's hard to be a girl if you are a boy
Oh... maybe I'll be a squirrle
Oh... maybe you'll be a bunny

:D

denial

22-02-2004, 04:34

Thank you Kate ... really appreciate that translation. :) for you :rose:

Congratulation and good luck on your 'university' start. Woo .. thats tomorrow!

THANK YOU HARE!!
...millions roses for you .. :rose:

dollparts3000

22-02-2004, 04:54

It's o.k. I think it will sound great once they mix in the musical track but the tone sounds a lot like Nich'ya. They need a song that is really upbeat like Malchik Gei, Not Gonna Get Us, or All the Things She Said, or Prostie Dvizhenia. They can't all be depressing and slow. There has to be a high energy song. NVNB is the only one on the cd that has energy. What do you guys think? The CD needs atleast 2-3 more songs with a lot of energy!!!!!!!!!!!!

denial

22-02-2004, 04:59

Originally posted by dollparts3000
What do you guys think? The CD needs atleast 2-3 more songs with a lot of energy!!!!!!!!!!!! [/B]

what ever you want, think and wish for TATU.... type here at tatysite .. and they'll come true ..

Originally posted by Igor
May be a song Katya Nechaeva sings. :dead:
Then.. I like this girl already .. she sounded almost like Lena.

[speculation]
Or the voice sound a bit like between Lena and Yulia .. then for Katya to continue the album .. would be to tell the story about TATU.

haku

22-02-2004, 05:11

Originally posted by dollparts3000
What do you guys think?
I think i couldn't care less about new songs or a new album when i see the state of the band right now!

The girls don't go to Podnebesnaya anymore and refuse to sing.

Yulia is a total bitch who cares about nothing except herself and diss Lena.

Lena looks as happy as if she was going to the dentist.

Ivan has no clue about what he's doing... "I'll record the songs myself... No! I'll hire new girls... No! I'll get Katya to record them... No! Let's do it with Natasha instead... Or maybe i'll just jump out the window and fly like a pigeon..." :rolleyes: Somebody shoot the guy!

But yay! We have a half demo with Lena alone (or Katya?) singing meaningless lyrics. :none:

QueenBee

22-02-2004, 05:11

Wow Denial seems to be flying on clouds.. :rose:
I'm downloading the song..it's taking ages! Lol. *Hugs Hare as a thanks for the file*

denial

22-02-2004, 05:23

For Febrika ..

Big part of the episode was devoted to MTV Asia awards. They couldn't decide what to do. Bobza said they changed decision 5 times. First girls recordered some video to sent to Singapour as noone was going to fly there. Both Yulia and Lena were on the tape. But MTV guys refused to take it. So someone had to go. Yulia said she wasn't going to spend 20 hours in the plane just to spend few hours there and then go back. Later lena was shown preparing to leave... and Yulia was lying in her bed saying she felt pity for poor kid Lena who had to go. That Lena is always like that... that she won't argue or something. And that Yulia thought it was useless to go there in such mood. She said she was sure Lena will be crying in the plane... or may be she even cried at the moment. Coz it was a holiday and she wanted to spend it with her family or bf... and that it was wrong to mock at tem this way. hile Lena was there at the ceremony, Yulia was cutting Pasha's nails and he seemed to absolutely ignore her. LoL

Then Lena was shown in the airport... quite sad... she said she was too kind. And that they (she was talking to Bobza but meant whole TATU camp i think) ruined her life. It was in a half-joking way but still... Then Bobza said they didn't know what to do. And that first both girls said they were not going... then Yulia's mom called and said they were going... then after the car was sent to them she called again and said it was a final decision that they are not going.

I definitely could understand this situation very much .. :laugh:

haku

22-02-2004, 05:40

Well, i don't really see what's funny here...

Yulia is acting like a total diva and she's mocking Lena, and Lena is realizing that she's being used by the others but she's too nice to say no.
The comment Yulia does about Lena crying in the plane is really disturbing, and Lena seems to really be sad because she wanted to be with her family and boyfriend on that holiday instead of being alone on the other side of the planet. :none:

QueenBee

22-02-2004, 05:46

Yeah.. To Yulia: :bebebe: I agree with Haku, Yulia is acting like a total diva and it looks like she doesn't even care about Lena's feelings. She even makes fun of the fact that Lena will be crying on the plane.. What kind of a friend is she? She doesn't seem to give a sh*t about us because she doesn't want to "waste" time on an airplane, see her fans who have been waiting, and go back quickly.

I still think they're a couple and that they have sex three times a day. :laugh:

denial

22-02-2004, 06:12

Well, i don't really see what's funny here...

Originally posted by QueenBee
Yeah.. To Yulia: :bebebe: I agree with [b]Haku, Yulia is acting like a total diva and it looks like she doesn't even care about Lena's feelings. She even makes fun of the fact that Lena will be crying on the plane.. What kind of a friend is she? She doesn't seem to give a sh*t about us because she doesn't want to "waste" time on an airplane, see her fans who have been waiting, and go back quickly.

huh? LoL ..well I'm sorry .. but ..diva? LoL .. okay.. sorry .. well .. but .. they are TATU .. they suppose to be like that.. what you expect them to be like ? Roxette? Lol

Remember, Mi TATU! Mi TATU! ... and Yulia is very much real and modest than I've ever thought. I guess they always meant what they said. I won't comment on Lena .. it wont be pleasant .. beside I love her too... :)

QueenBee

22-02-2004, 06:19

denial, huh? In that case.. I don't think I wanna be a Tatu fan if they are supposed to ignore their fans because they don't want to "waste their time". :bebebe: It was fun before, the girls seemed to be loving their fans, but they never gave a crap about the interviewers.. but they seemed to really enjoy being with their fans and signing t-shirts and giving out autographs. Now.. Yulia wants to stay with Pasha cutting his nails instead of visiting her fans and the Mtv Asia Awards. Lena really wanted to stay too, but she went because she knew the fans really wanted to see them. We got the report on the awards, and people were sad that Yulia didn't attend. Some were even worried that she was sick again, but no, she was at home cutting Pasha's nails because she didn't want to waste time in the airplane. :bebebe:

I got the song now, and I honestly thought it would really suck but I like it quite alot. I'm really worried there won't be no album though. Lena sings great but what I've heard from Yulia before she didn't seem okay. The girls don't even want to do this it seems, and Ivan comes up with the strangest ideas. Exchange the girls for other girls who are supposed to play Tatu? I donno. I don't think this seems fake anymore. Before when there were scandals and such, I would think that Tatu camp were sitting somewhere laughing their asses off at us for believing such stupid things but now the situation seems serious.

haku

22-02-2004, 06:23

Originally posted by denial
they are TATU
They are no longer Tatu, they broke the contract, remember?

Yulia is very much real and modest
Modest?!? What are you talking about! Yulia is extremely arrogant! LOL
All she had to do was sit her ass in a plane and go see some of her fans, but no! That's beneath her! She doesn't want to waste her precious time on the fans, cutting Pasha's nails is much more important... :bebebe:

I won't comment on Lena .. it wont be pleasant
Go on! What do you have to say against her? You also think she's weak? She should have done like Yulia? Said "fuck you" to the fans, didn't go to Singapore and stayed home to cut someone's nails? :rolleyes:

thegurgi

22-02-2004, 06:59

They are no longer Tatu, they broke the contract, remember?
when exactly did they do that? they asked to be released from it, but did they actually get what they asked for. I think we would have heard something like that.

Ewa, don't worry i have good news just for you

Kate

22-02-2004, 07:08

QueenBee, totally agree with you and haku. The fans have been voting for Tatu, not taking notice what time of night or day it was, they voted for the band they loved not because they enjoyed clicking the "vote" button again and again, but because they love Tatu. And Julia just turned her back on the fans, and said "Oh, sorry, the flight's too long". :rolleyes: What a rude person she is. I am disgusted.

dare2dream28

22-02-2004, 07:08

Originally posted by QueenBee

I still think they're a couple and that they have sex three times a day. :laugh:

OMG LMAO. QueenBee, you crack me the hell up. :laugh:

Seriously though, I agree with QueenBee and haku. That was so rude of Yulia to just sit at home like that and freaken make fun of Lena! I mean hellloooo she better be glad Lena keeps to her commitments or else they may have even more pissed off fans. If Yulia was any kind of friend she would've hopped on that plane right beside Lena and gone to do her job. Right now I must say that I am not impressed with Miss Volkova's actions. :none:

dollparts3000

22-02-2004, 07:19

I think Yulia and Lena are dealing with a lot of pressure right now, more so than most teens. They are approaching 20 and becoming adults. It's scary!!! 2 yrs. ago, when I was 19 I was petrified! Everyone also refers to them as being adults but they might not feel like adults yet. On top of that, they have to deal with stardom and having little privacy.

They should be grateful to fans and I think that Lena is . It would be nice to see them at more award shows. They have to wake up though and take advantage of all the oporutnity that they have in order to stay on top. I mean, when is this opportunity going to come along for them again?

I understand that they have not had the most normal teenage life but they do owe the money they make to their fans and should appear in the spotlight. But then again, they were dedicating so much time to this show and were planning to dedicate a lot of time to the process of recording a new album!

On another note, maybe Valentine's day is really important to Yulia and she wants to have a few normal days a month where she can have a somewhat normal life. I mean, would you really want to go on a flight (how many hours 8-12) to a country for a few hours and then come back on Valentine's day!!!!!? Sure, she could have taken Pasha but maybe she wasn't feeling well. Last time she went to Japan, she got a fever!!! Now, that's got to suck! Ofcourse, this time it was Singapore.

The recording process might also feel more clausterphobic this time around. I mean, there last album was probably more exciting, because it was there first album!!! This time around, it might be more work because they have to come up with an album that will be able to compete with their first one! They also have to do it live!!!! That's probably way more stressful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thegurgi

22-02-2004, 07:23

i agree it was wrong of Yulia to do that, but as for her making fun of Lena, well... even with your closest friends, sometimes you just know them so well it's easy to take a punch or too, and that was a prime example. I've done it myself, so i dunno if i'm that upset.

I voted for them, and i think she should have gone.
:: slaps Yulia's hand with a ruler ::

QueenBee

22-02-2004, 07:29

Oooh I completely forgot it was Valentine's Day that day! Well, I could understand that Yulia would want to stay with her boyfriend on Valentine's Day because she wants to spend it with him. But it seems like that wasn't the case, but that she didn't want to go because she didn't want to waste time on an airplane. If she would just have said "I want to be with my boyfriend, it's Valentine's" then I understand... but she didn't.

Kate

22-02-2004, 07:34

QueenBee, Lena had plans with her boyfriend, family and friends as well, she still went to Singapore, didn't she?

kishkash

22-02-2004, 07:35

Yulia was cutting Pasha's nails and he seemed to absolutely ignore her

LMAO!!! for some wierd reason that's HILARIOUS...wot a thing to do :hmmm:

Y are they making such a task out of going to recieve an award...they should be happy/grateful that they are still WINNING awards for a 2 year old cd and that ppl still remember them!!

QueenBee

22-02-2004, 07:37

katbeidar, yeah, and as I said, I really think it's great that she did that because it shows how much she cares for her fans. But if she would have said she wants to stay with her family etc. then I would have understood that. Uh.. what are you implying? :ithink: I think Lena is the good one here :p

haku

22-02-2004, 07:43

Well said katbeidar and dare2dream28

Originally posted by QueenBee
If she would just have said "I want to be with my boyfriend, it's Valentine's" then I understand... but she didn't.
Exactly. I remember last week when people reported that Yulia was not in Singapore, some people got woried and said "I hope the poor girl is not seriously ill again, she wouldn't miss such an event without a good reason".

When we had that article saying that Yulia stayed in Moscow to spend Valentine's day with Pasha, some people were like "That's bullshit! Yulia cares too much about her fans to do that!" Yeah right! :rolleyes:

And like QueenBee said, it would have been ok in that case, but it's not even that! She just couldn't be bothered, the flight was too long and she preferred staying in Moscow doing basically nothing.

And about them being stressed by the recording! Hello? They haven't set foot in Podnebesnaya for 3 weeks!

During that time, Lena found the time to look for an apartment and buy one, and she also went to Singapore (even though she wanted to spend time with her boyfriend too)!

What did Yulia do? She cut Pasha's nails. :rolleyes:

showMElove2

22-02-2004, 08:50

As much as I hate to "bash" Yulia, I find it hardly undavoidable at this point. I know that they are going through some changes professionally but I feel that the obligation to their fans is still there, and I think Lena has grasped this concept, while Yulia has not. In her acceptance speech, Lena made sure to thank the fans for their support which Im sure is the reason she showed up. I think that Lena has been made to go solo once to many times (for one reason or another) and at this time when things seems to be falling apart, Y&L should be sticking together. So if Lena did not stay at home with her family and boyfriend, neither should Yulia. Instead of staying home predicting that Lena was crying she should have been on that plane with her! Some people might see this as a weakness on Lena's part, but I admire her for giving in and going when she clearly didn't want to, shows her maturity. I always admired Yulia's feistiness when it was directed towards others who were negative about the duo but now it just shows lack of respect. Makes me wonder if there will be a future for Y&L or just L without the Y.:dknow: I guess I'll stayed tuned as the drama continues but if the RS show ends, will there still be news about the girls:confused:

denial

22-02-2004, 08:52

Originally posted by QueenBee
I got the song now, and I honestly thought it would really suck but I like it quite alot. I'm really worried there won't be no album though.

I understand that :) .. yeah ..thats from the same producer of song Malchik Gei .. . as mush as he tried to look as normal as human .. he can't help it .. can't he .. his touch is magic .. ;)

xena225

22-02-2004, 09:15

Thank you for your report, sunny poison! :rose:

[i]Originally posted by sunny poison
It began with repeating on what happened last weekend. LoL. It was funny how some guy said: 'I warned you girls were upset. U should buy them some nice cars' LoL
They do seem very upset indeed. I wonder what really made them take those legal steps against Ivan in the end. It sounds more and more not just like creative/professional differences, but something on a more personal level as well. They seem hurt and angry, or else there wouldn't be such an impasse.

Originally posted by sunny poison
It's not clear what Ivan plans to do. He changes his mind constantly. First he says he's going to leave the songs recordered by Y&L as they are and some Natasha will sing the rest. Then when he talks to BBC reporter, he says he will record the songs himself to show them to Y&L like he always does. he even sang it live. God... that was a awful as usual... V kosmose skvoznyaki... lol. When he was asked what he would do if girls refuse to sing, he said he could record those songs himself and that even that reporter could sing them... doesn't matter who wll if girls refuse. Someone can always do it. He also said the songs were ready... just girls refuse to record them.
Well, it's great the songs are ready, but he does not seem to get the seriousness of the situation, if he expects the girls to just waltz back into the studio and start recording songs like nothing ever happened. Does he not reflect on the situation? Does he just repress the reality of it all?

Him saying he could record the songs himself is hilarious. He sounds a bit like a petulant child here, pouting and coming up with weird "solutions" to the impasse. The idea that he can just replace Yulia and Lena with two other girls shows to me that he is a bit desperate - I mean, he waited long enough with the actual producing/recording of the album, so what's the hurry now? Is it possible that he is under a lot of pressure from Neformat/Universal and does not want to leave the impression that he is at the mercy of Yulia and Lena?

Originally posted by sunny poison
So someone had to go. Yulia said she wasn't going to spend 20 hours in the plane just to spend few hours there and then go back. Later lena was shown preparing to leave... and Yulia was lying in her bed saying she felt pity for poor kid Lena who had to go. That Lena is always like that... that she won't argue or something. And that Yulia thought it was useless to go there in such mood. She said she was sure Lena will be crying in the plane... or may be she even cried at the moment.
Oh, does that mean the dni.ru story about them not getting visas was wrong after all? :cool:

I would like to see this scene, before I really comment on it. A lot depends on how Yulia said this. Was she sympathetic? Her saying that she felt pity because Lena had to go, seems to imply this. She knows that Lena is sad because she can't spend the holiday with her loved ones, even talks about her crying on the plane. Just reading these words, I get a feeling Yulia might feel some pangs of conscience there for not accompanying Lena, but as I said - I'd have to see it to further comment on this.

Let me just add that I can understand both of their decisions - Yulia's decision not to go - Lena's decision to go (though she probably needed to be emphatically persuaded by those in charge.)

Here's my opinion on the MTV Asia thingie: As much as it's awesome for fans to see them in person at such events like the MTV Asia Awards, shouldn't fans also support and respect their decision not to go in a situation like this? Yulia and Lena are in a tricky, difficult situation right now. The project tATu is NOT going smoothly. It's NOT business as usual. Both of the girls deal with the enormous pressure (and their own frustration) according to their temperaments - Yulia is defiant and forceful, Lena is accommodating and kind. I respect and I can understand both their decisions, and I personally don't blame Yulia for not going to Singapore in this present situation.

Originally posted by sunny poison
And that first both girls said they were not going... then Yulia's mom called and said they were going... then after the car was sent to them she called again and said it was a final decision that they are not going.
The respective parents don't seem to make it really easier for the girls.

Originally posted by sunny poison
At Mansky's remark that Yulia must be worried now, she said "Volkova is never worried. She's always calm as a boa'.
I love that quote. Yulia is so cool, so in control, and I have the feeling Lena envies that a bit. Reminds me of what she said in Japan last year about Yulia being circumspect and decisive. It's almost like she's saying: And that's why SHE is in Moscow, and I have to sit in this hotel room all by my lonesome self.

Originally posted by sunny poison
Yulia's dad was wondering what Ivan could offer to get girls back, but Yulia said no matter what excuses and promises he makes, Lena and her don't want to work with him anymore.
I wish we would learn more about what is really going on inside the girls' minds and how they really assess the situation. Ivan saying the album is ready to be recorded and that it all depends on Lena and Yulia, is only one side of the coin. "Too little, too late, Ivan" - always comes to mind. This won't go away by ignoring it. I'd really like Manski to try and get to the bottom of this from the girls' point of view. Does anybody here really know what made Yulia and Lena take that step, what really led to this impasse?

Originally posted by sunny poison
Belochka was played. it was recordered by lena. Not even half as bad as it could be. Everyone said it was going to be a hit and that they had the 1st song for the new album.
That song is simply beautiful. Lena's voice goes straight to the heart, there is so much emotion. Much like my first reaction to Nichya.

Originally posted by sunny poison
Ivan said they had 8 already.
8 recorded songs already? Wouldn't that mean most of the album IS in fact recorded? When exactly did that happen, I wonder? Another contradiction, more Ivan-babble, or the truth?

So, where does that leave us? Actually, not really any wiser regarding tATu's future than before. The information we get is confusing, sometimes contradictory. I wish Manski would just hand a camera to Yulia and Lena and let them tell THEIR story. Why doesn't he? I have a feeling things would possibly make a lot more sense if we saw Lena's and Yulia's unedited point of view instead of getting so much from Ivan's side.

We'll see.

xena225

freddie

22-02-2004, 13:17

Hey guys!! Aren't you being a little harsh on Yulia? She's acting like 80% of the stars would aftr 3 years of fame... cold, arogant, moody... it comes with the territory. And we all knew damn well the girls were more then capable of the rude beahaviour - remember the US tour. Oh that's right!! We all called it "punkish attitude" then. ;)
What's changed by now, anyway? We can still call it like that. Yes she is rude and dismissive. But that's a part of what makes Yulia herself. We can take it or leave it. She sure doesn't give a damn what we think of her. Lets not worry ourselves. Lol

haku

22-02-2004, 13:38

Originally posted by freddie
She's acting like 80% of the stars would aftr 3 years of fame... cold, arogant, moody... it comes with the territory.
Tatu are supposed to be different. If Yulia is like any bitchy American pop star, what's the point?

What's changed by now, anyway?
What's changed is that their career is going down the drain, the hardcore fans are all they have and they're losing even that. Yulia's diva attitude is no longer endearing, it's just tiring now.

She sure doesn't give a damn what we think of her. Lets not worry ourselves.
Agreed. And you can bet that a lot less fans will vote for Tatu at the next MTV award show (if they are nominated ever again that is). Why care to vote since Yulia thinks those award ceremonies are useless?

Unplugged

22-02-2004, 14:40

Hey guys!! Aren't you being a little harsh on Yulia? She's acting like 80% of the stars would aftr 3 years of fame... cold, arogant, moody

...And you think that's ok? Just because she has 'fame' (in her country, that is, because in the West nobody knows her besides tATu fans)?
Just because she's famous she gets to be a total bitch and it's completely ok? I don't think so.

She obviously doesn't give a shit about her fans, while Lena does. When Lena was sitting in her hotel room alone in Singapore, she wasn't being weak, she was being strong and professional. Yulia is the one who is weak because she let her ego dominate her so much. That's what I call weakness.

QueenBee

22-02-2004, 14:46

Go staringelf. :done: I think Lena wouldn't go if she was able to say no, but she lets people tell her what to do. At least it sounded like that. :ithink: Anyway, what a shame if this is all a scam (;)) and they're lying because in that case Ivan does all this to get attention from people, but the complete opposite thing is going on. Nobody really gives a fcuk anymore and more and more people consider Tatu a big joke. In that case the only thing that can save the project is the new album (it looks like it, at least). *Prays that the album will be good* After all this time of waiting, we deserve a good album. :D

Lena410

22-02-2004, 14:56

honestly I don't care whether yulia went to those awards or not..I think that it's awsome that Lena went but I wouldn't be mad or disappointed if she hadn't. *I* voted for them for days too but I know that they are humans too.

freddie, I agree with you. They are behaving the way they did all those past three years and suddenly their behaviour is wrong. Although they never changed.

haku, as far as I see it a lot less fans would be voting even if Yulia had gone there. Remeber when they went to those World Awards? They came but still there was something people found to critize. I'm starting to believe that they right now can't do anything that would be viewed thourougly positive.

haku

22-02-2004, 15:05

Originally posted by QueenBee
In that case the only thing that can save the project is the new album
At this point, when i see how Yulia is treating Lena, i'm kinda hoping she's going to say "fuck it" and go on a solo career. She's doing a lot of things alone already since Yulia can't be bothered, so she might as well leave and be on her own. She'd be happier and she wouldn't have Yulia bitching on her back.

As for Yulia, if she thinks her future is in doing manicures, good for her. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Lena410
Remeber when they went to those World Awards?
The World Awards? Well, yes, they went there but they refused to take the awards (they won three but didn't take them). Same old story.

Rob

22-02-2004, 15:19

The World Awards? Well, yes, they went there but they refused to take the awards (they won three but didn't take them). Same old story.
Let's not forget that they went there in order to receive their 3 Awards and suddenly weren't allowed to present their show as planned even though the people in charge at the WMA's had given their permission before but suddenly refused.
This wasn't tATu's failure as some "suit" got afraid of them. :cool:

QueenBee

22-02-2004, 15:25

*I* voted for them for days too but I know that they are humans too.
Yeah I never thought of that. :laugh: Nah, but seriously, of course they are human, but they don't have regular jobs. I mean, if I worked at an office and decided not to come because I wanted to spend time with my boyfriend on Valentine's day I think they would kick me out pretty fast. :lol: Besides, how much had they worked these past [insert name here]? It's not like they were really really stressed and wanted to spend the little time they had with their family. I don't know for how long this has been going on, but they had been in Moscow. I mean come on, they don't even want to visit Podnebesnaya anymore. How much does it take from Yulia to come ONE SINGLE DAY when her fans really want to see her? Sure it can be really tiresome, but it's not like she had worked every single day and was really worn out. Alot of fans really wanted to see Yulia aswell. Just look at the reactions when Lena said that Yulia was in Moscow and had "problems". :rolleyes: Alot of fans were really worried and I feel sorry for them.

Rob

22-02-2004, 15:37

Originally posted by QueenBee
... and I feel sorry for them.
Yeah, of course ...:laugh: some of you guys would feel sorry if you couldn't spend 24/7 whining about evil, evil tATu. ;)

And now you can jump on this post as it's obvious that this is the only fun you actually have - waiting for someone to have another opinion and then all together ... 'cause fun is limited when you only have the same few people repeating the same stuff all over again. :D

nasnedagoniat

22-02-2004, 16:33

I made the mistake of listening to Belochka for the first time while reading that report of the episode. I was on the edge of crying for Lena. I could picture her crying in the plane. Not a happy picture.

It's funny that dollparts3000 made that comment about "becoming an adult." It seems like this is what some of the song Belochka is about. "Leave behind masks, and become adults". It's funny that Lena was the only one singing, because it seems like she is the only adult around. Ivan and Yulia both behave like little kids. But like the song says, "it's difficult to be the boy if you're the girl", this can be interpreted in many ways even: it's difficult to be an adult if you are still a big kid. For Lena: it's difficult to be a kid if you're an adult. *pictures Lena crying* Become the squirrel Lena! Become the squirrel!

QueenBee

22-02-2004, 16:39

Rob, what? I don't usually post anything about Tatu, mostly hanging out in the General forum because I've kinda gotten tired of the scandals. I don't think it's right of you to judge "what kind of fun I have". Yeah, maybe I'm enjoying myself while stating my opinion, so? I could easily say all YOU ever do is wait until somebody says something negative about Tatu and then whine about how evil evil they are. Well, that's not what I am saying because I think that you're free to write whatever the heck you want. I just said that I felt sorry for the fans - whats wrong with that? I felt sorry that they were turned down by their idol. I wasn't being sarcastic or anything trying to prove how evil Yulia is. :laugh: I understand how she wanted to spend time with her boyfriend, I even said so in one of my previous posts. It's just that it seems she acted rude about it, and instead of telling it straight out she said she didn't want to waste time.

Anyways, I don't need to explain myself to you, if you don't like my opinion then fine, but I don't think it's fair if you to attack me personally like that.

nasnedagoniat, maybe we should ask the person who wrote this song what it means? :D I like the way you interpret it. Kate said somebody here on the forum wrote the song.. I wonder who it can be..

Rob

22-02-2004, 17:21

Originally posted by QueenBee
I don't usually post anything about Tatu, ...
?
Ahem, ... right ... :rolleyes: :laugh:

haku

22-02-2004, 17:22

Rob

In the thread about the article saying that Yulia had stayed in Moscow to spend Valentine's day with her boyfriend, *i* was the one defending Yulia and saying that she had the right to spend that day with her boyfriend if she wanted to.

Now, i remember some people in that thread just laughing at the idea, saying that it was just lies and that Yulia would never miss such an important event just to spend a day with Pasha!

But now that Yulia herself said that she didn't go there just because she couldn't be bothered to take an 8h flight, those same people are finding that perfectly ok and understandable.

xena225

22-02-2004, 17:26

Originally posted by freddie
What's changed by now, anyway? We can still call it like that. Yes she is rude and dismissive. But that's a part of what makes Yulia herself.
Please keep in mind that almost no one here has seen any of the episodes yet (and to those who have them, let me just say: PLEASE upload them somewhere!) - and it's very difficult to judge someone's behaviour and words going on fragmented second-hand info alone (not that the majority of people posting reports here is not trust-worthy, it's just that people often see the same thing in different ways, no one is "wrong", and yet it's not entirely objective.). It's a bit disturbing to see people jump to negative conclusions so quickly about Yulia and Lena without having seen the scenes in question - it seems a bit simple-minded to me to do so, even if the majority here seems to condone it.

Yulia decided not to go to Singapore - how she spent the day is not important - but apparently she was willing to talk about it in front of a camera on the very same day Lena flew to Singapore - which goes to show that her decision wasn't just a spur of the moment thing, but something she felt strongly about - I don't call that rude, I call that determined and resolute. And that's how we know Yulia.

Apparently at first Lena had decided not to go either. For whatever reason she could be convinced to go anyway, whereas Yulia remained steadfast in her decision. Lena was flexible and accommodating. And that's how we know Lena.

In times when they must be incredibly irritated and annoyed by Ivan's behaviour and arrogance, both of their decisions show strength and character - each woman reacted and acted according to her temperament. Would I have preferred Yulia to go with Lena? Sure! Do I think less of her because she didn't? Hell, no.

BTW: Lena went to Singapore and made a point to thank the fans for their support in her acceptance speech. She also spent a considerable amount of time after the ceremony posing for pictures with fans and signing autographs. Everybody who met her, was full of praise for her kindness and graciousness. And I hardly found anyone who attended the ceremony who said they were disappointed afterwards. Quite the contrary actually.

xena225

Rob

22-02-2004, 17:28

haku

As I didn't say anything concerning Yulia neither here nor in the other thread, don't put words into other people's mouth. ;)

Read carefully, I was just having fun with constantly changing headlines... :D

QueenBee

22-02-2004, 17:33

I thought of Yulia's words and I can see your point Xena. It all depends on how she said it. For example when she talked about Lena crying, she could have said it in a good and caring way and it would be kind of different then. But it's the reason to why she didn't want to go to Singapore that made me go :none: She didn't go because she didn't want to waste time on the plane. I mean, it meant alot to some fans who were there, they really wanted to see Yulia. It's kind of sad, 'cause I know I would have been upset if my idol(s) decided not to show up because she/he/they didn't want to waste time.

To Xena: I'm not quite sure, but I think Igor and Forre and whoever else it may be, are putting up the videos online soon. Forre made a question in the Moderators-forum about free space that this site needs (because the video files are really large) so hopefully those will be up for us to see soon, but we can't be sure. For now we're just gonna have to trust Sunny and the other reports. :rose:

haku

22-02-2004, 17:47

Originally posted by QueenBee
For example when she talked about Lena crying, she could have said it in a good and caring way and it would be kind of different then.
Hmmm, seems to me that she was despising Lena for being so weak... she felt "pity", that's not a good feeling.

And i agree with you that Yulia saying that she woudn't "waste time" in a plane to see her fans was just plain rude. A lot of fans spent money and time to go there.

Lena410

22-02-2004, 18:14

Originally posted by haku
Hmmm, seems to me that she was despising Lena for being so weak... she felt "pity", that's not a good feeling.

I don't see the word pity that way. I mean when I have my essay already done and my best friend hasnt and has to work the whole afternoon I pity her. Not thinking that shes weak or despising her.

I'm not trying to say in which way Yulia might have said that because I have no idea and no one except miss volkova herself can know that. But there are certain possible ways in which she could have meant it. Assuming the worst is a way to look at things but I intend on staying positive.
Don't get me wrong. I hate the fact that she didnt bother to come but Im not surprised nor really disappointed. I don't think that any star sees comming to awards as being there for the fans because the contact with the fans is very limited. Awards is just parading in front of journalists and trying to catch attention.

I personaly don't think that a lot, if any at all, of the artist that came, came because of their fans.

paradoxides

22-02-2004, 18:36

But now that Yulia herself said that she didn't go there just because she couldn't be bothered to take an 8h flight

I know - it still can be a big disappointment for fans, but this flight was a little bit longer - ca 20 hours!
according to
http://www.worldairportguides.com/flights.html

Moscow (SVO) - Frankfurt (FRA)* - Singapore (SIN)
Total Trip Time: 22h 15m
Moscow (SVO) - Beijing (PEK)* - Singapore (SIN)
Total Trip Time: 21h 50m
Moscow (SVO) - Istanbul (IST)* - Singapore (SIN)
Total Trip Time: 24h 40m
Moscow (SVO) - Paris (CDG)* - Singapore (SIN)
Total Trip Time: 23h 45m

Unplugged

22-02-2004, 18:42

Lena was flexible and accommodating.

Lena does her job. If it's her job to receive an award given to tATu by their loving fans, of course she will go. I don't call that flexible or accomodating, she is just respectful and is ready to be professional and do her job - instead of considering it 'a waste of time' :rolleyes:

So, if I tell everyone at work that I'm not going to do my job because it's a waste of time, I'm not being rude - I'm just being determined and resolute? :rolleyes: No further comment.

I know - it still can be a big disappointment for fans, but this flight was a little bit longer - ca 20 hours!

So? Many stars who are a LOT more famous, richer and more powerful in the music industry, they take the time to take 20h flights and receive awards given to them by their loving fans.

That's how you get the people to love you as an artist - by showing your appreciation for them, even if you're not really in the mood that day or if it's not the best time. That's difference between the ones who are dedicated artists and the ones who just wanna sell records and then ignore their fans who contributed to their success.

haku

22-02-2004, 18:47

Originally posted by paradoxides
this flight was a little bit longer - ca 20 hours!
Yeah, thanks. :)

I have no idea why i typed 8h LOL Sunny poison said 20h and i knew it.
But i stand by what i said.

kr0k0

22-02-2004, 20:39

Yulia will receive from Pasha the treatment she deserves, sooner or later. If he is clever enough he'll spend all her money.

If she is clever enough she'll find a rich dumb old husband :laugh:

And Tatu will remain in the history as a highly succesfull group who must not be copied :gigi:

Mad Debz

22-02-2004, 20:55

Originally posted by freddie
Hey guys!! Aren't you being a little harsh on Yulia? She's acting like 80% of the stars would aftr 3 years of fame... cold, arogant, moody... it comes with the territory. And we all knew damn well the girls were more then capable of the rude beahaviour - remember the US tour. Oh that's right!! We all called it "punkish attitude" then. ;)
What's changed by now, anyway? We can still call it like that. Yes she is rude and dismissive. But that's a part of what makes Yulia herself. We can take it or leave it. She sure doesn't give a damn what we think of her. Lets not worry ourselves. Lol

I didn't want to edit the quote because it's exactly what I would have said. Yulia is a Diva she doesn't give a flying banana what people think. At times I have found her rather rude, hey she totally ignorned me at the hotel in Saint Petersburg even though I was stood right next to her, don't forget. It annoyed me but I do expect it from her. Yulia's Yulia :heh:

Hasn't it always been said that Yulia and Lena are total opposites? Lena the quite book worm, Yulia the wild party animal. Lena who doesn't like to upset people, Yulia the one who will stand on peoples fingers (there's a quote about that somewhere isn't there?). Lena the one who cares a little for her fans and will most of the time pose for photos, Yulia the one who wont give fans the time of day. Thats what makes them who they are. :D

On the Ivan note it looks to me that he is still expecting them to come back. Surely they are in the last year of their contract anyway? :dknow:

MD

Unplugged

22-02-2004, 20:59

Yulia is a Diva

:lol: Yeah, and I'm Pavarotti... :rolleyes:

Get real. There's not a single reason for Yulia to be considered a diva or for her seeing herself as a diva.

Rob

22-02-2004, 21:18

Get real. There's not a single reason for Yulia to be considered a diva or for her seeing herself as a diva.
From what could be heard over here from Russians, girls in Russia would love to be in Yulia's or Lena's shoes, and tATu are considered big stars.

Mad Debz

22-02-2004, 21:18

Originally posted by staringelf
Get real. There's not a single reason for Yulia to be considered a diva or for her seeing herself as a diva.

Hmm I find being told to get real a little offensive. :( What's your defonition of a Diva? There are differrent types of Divas. Yulia's a "I'm not doing that, I'm to good for that and I'm so not going there" Diva. Where I come from a Diva is someone who thinks they are better than everyone else and don't care what people think. :bebebe:

MD

freddie

22-02-2004, 21:20

Originally posted by haku
Tatu are supposed to be different. If Yulia is like any bitchy American pop star, what's the point?

No difference whatsoever. That's my point. My point was also that it was like this ALL THE TIME.

Originally posted by haku
What's changed is that their career is going down the drain, the hardcore fans are all they have and they're losing even that. Yulia's diva attitude is no longer endearing, it's just tiring now.

So she should start behaving better now that their career is going down the drain? It's that a bit much to expect? She wasn't nice BEFORE when they were at their heights. Why start now? She always remained what she is. True to herself. Whatever that might mean. I always claimed she was rude, arogant spoiled little brat. But everyone dismissed it then. The only differece is that I forgave her then, or rather accepted her for what she is...
Most people are still unable to do that. :p

Originally posted by haku
Agreed. And you can bet that a lot less fans will vote for Tatu at the next MTV award show (if they are nominated ever again that is). Why care to vote since Yulia thinks those award ceremonies are useless?

Originally posted by Staringelf
...And you think that's ok? Just because she has 'fame' (in her country, that is, because in the West nobody knows her besides tATu fans)?
Just because she's famous she gets to be a total bitch and it's completely ok? I don't think so.

If we had good music to cover all the arogance and rudness that went on and is going on, then it'd all be aright. But we don't have good fresh music. And THAT'S the biggest problem.Not on how many MTC awards Yulia appears and who's nais she cuts. Those are all secondary things compared to what's REALLY importaint in a MUSICAL band. Music.
Michael Jackson was considered an unusual genious in the 80s... a bit weird, but still a genious cause the music he made then was phenomenal. When the quality of that failed in the 90s THEN did the "wacko" and "child abuser" slanders come up... nobody paied THAT much attention to his extrencisities until that cane the ONLY THING that was visable in public... no more #1 hits, no more multi-platinum albums. Just contraversy, cause there was nothign else left. And that's where TAtu are going I'm afraid if there won't be a solid album out SOON! So people again have something else too talk about.

bpro50

22-02-2004, 21:40

I think Yulia will be off the radar fairly soon. No one wants to work with someone like her. Can you imagine her being a producer and having to work with a large number of people. I can't see Lena working with her much longer and I think she has screwed Ivan for the last time. So there is really no one that she has left except her dad, money-mom and her bf. Everyone has wondered what she sees in Pasha . . . I am wondering how he tolerates her crude, rude mouth and the fact that she stays stoned half-the-time. It is time that everyone see Yulia for what she really is and let her go her own way. Quit bad-mouthing fans that are finally seeing this girl for what she really is . . . she is arrogant, mean and condescending toward others. And, she won't have to waste any more of her time traveling to places like Singapore because I don't think anyone will vote for her. She's finished. Until she apologizes to her fans for her attitude, I think she'll go straight down hill.

rANdoMtATuFaN

22-02-2004, 21:58

Wow...ppl calm down. I fail to understand why ppl always see the negative side of every situation. Lena and Yulia are thier own people. They should do what they want. There is no reason to over react to every little thing.

So, Yulia didn't go. I have no opinion there.

The whole pity-thing - I have a diff. take on that: I don't think she was being mean or bringing Lena down. She just knows what Lena is like and she was stating that. But, I wasn't infront of her when she said it so I don't know.

Lena went, did her thing, and came back. Shouldn't we be happy about that?

BTW, I loved the song.

- my little rant

Thanx Sunny for the report and Hare for the song.

Unplugged

22-02-2004, 22:20

Regarding tATu's "punk attitude": one thing is to be provocative and inconvenient on TV in order to get attention and headlines to push the product. That's totally understandble if Yulia or Lena are rude or provocative on TV to get attention to the band. That's one thing, and I have nothing agains that.
But another thing is to be rude and ungrateful to your fans, considering visiting them is a waste of time.
I'm not even gonna talk about Yulia's "professional" behaviour any longer because I and many people have already said what should be said. But it's pretty clear she does not give a shit about her fans and thinks of herself as superior - I wish that was only an image for promotion, but unfortunately it's real - with this attitude towards her fans, she only showed she is a self-centered bitch.

xena225

22-02-2004, 22:23

Originally posted by rANdoMtATuFaN
Wow...ppl calm down. I fail to understand why ppl always see the negative side of every situation. Lena and Yulia are thier own people. They should do what they want. There is no reason to over react to every little thing.

So, Yulia didn't go. I have no opinion there.

The whole pity-thing - I have a diff. take on that: I don't think she was being mean or bringing Lena down. She just knows what Lena is like and she was stating that. But, I wasn't infront of her when she said it so I don't know.

Lena went, did her thing, and came back. Shouldn't we be happy about that?

BTW, I loved the song.

- my little rant

Thanx Sunny for the report and Hare for the song.

What a refreshing, down-to-earth, and level-headed post. I'm glad people like you still post here. That gives me hope. :rose:

xena225

freddie

22-02-2004, 22:37

Originally posted by staringelf
Regarding tATu's "punk attitude": one thing is to be provocative and inconvenient on TV in order to get attention and headlines to push the product. That's totally understandble if Yulia or Lena are rude or provocative on TV to get attention to the band. That's one thing, and I have nothing agains that.
But another thing is to be rude and ungrateful to your fans, considering visiting them is a waste of time.
I'm not even gonna talk about Yulia's "professional" behaviour any longer because I and many people have already said what should be said. But it's pretty clear she does not give a shit about her fans and thinks of herself as superior - I wish that was only an image for promotion, but unfortunately it's real - with this attitude towards her fans, she only showed she is a self-centered bitch.

*sighs* You don't get it still. I'm saying that she was like this ALL THE TIME. She didn't change these last two months. She was herself from the very begining and if she wasn't then she probably wouldn't even gotten as far as she did by now. The only difference are the fans who see nothing else but the scandal now since there's nothing else to talk about.
They're ALL like that to the fans... at least most of them. Even worse. And lets not forget they HAVE been nice to many fans in the past so it's not just them being self-centered bitches all the time. They're just humans, with emotions. They do get rude and arogant. And we'll just have to live with it, like we did in the past. And like ALL other fans of great bands who's performers are rude assholes must. :p

cirrus

22-02-2004, 22:45

I'm saying that she was like this ALL THE TIME. She didn't change these last two months. She was herself from the very begining and if she wasn't then she probably wouldn't even gotten as far as she did by now. The only difference are the fans who see nothing else but the scandal now since there's nothing else to talk about.

And I bet if they were still hugely successful stars, some people here would respect Yulia for "being herself" and being honest. Now we say she's bitchy and rude... which I think is closer to the reality anyways. Being rude is nothing to respect in someone.

Unplugged

22-02-2004, 22:52

Originally posted by freddie
*sighs* You don't get it still. I'm saying that she was like this ALL THE TIME. She didn't change these last two months.

I know she hasn't changed! Actually, I think she got worse with the years. And yes, she's had other bad attitudes towards the people who support the group, but for me this one is the worst of them all. She knows she's being filmed, and she knows her fans will watch that, so it's like her saying to the fans that doesn't give a damn about them. For me, that's just too much. Eventough she was being herself and wasn't lying - at least she's honest - it still is really too much rudeness and ungratefulness for me.

Not that it affects me, because I never really liked her that much - of course I always find it funny to see her mumbling, swearing and mocking journalists, but as a person she's not really appealing to me. Lena, on the other hand, is and always was.

And I don't understand how people who love the music and the band get carried away and love their 'idols' even if they're the biggest assholes :dknow:
I mean, I love Oasis (their music), but I hate every single one of them, especially Liam Gallagher, because they're such rude, vulgar people. They don't have the right to be like that just because their music is good or because they're famous - nobody has the right to be like that. Period.
I refuse to agree with the theory that you're allowed to be a total bastard just because you're famous and successful.

la aurora

22-02-2004, 23:01

Whuh ppl... no need to jupm on conclusions so fast. Sorry... may be my report wasn't full enough. I can't record the thing even. So I had to type really fast before I forget everything. But where did I say Yulia acted THIS bad? If I found her behaving like diva or being rude, I'd state my opinion, trust me. *sigh* Guess I need to go back to that episode once again.

Neither Yulia nor Lena were going to attend the ceremony. They both had doubts. But they did a recording where they said 'hello and thanks' to all the fans and they BOTH did it. Yulia didn't put there any less effort than Lena did. She was the one controlling all the proccess actually. And it's not like Yulia just sent Lena to Singapore and stayed at home enjoying the holiday. During the recording she tried to convince Lena not to go. She said Lena had to think about her health and that it was plain stupid to spend 20 hours in the plane, stay there 4 hours and then come back home. Her point wasn't that they shouldn't care of the fans. Her point was that it was useless and not fair going there in such mood they both had, arrive there tired as hell and act like everything was ok while it wasn't.
It's their job u say? Hello! *waves hands* Haven't u heard, guys, that these girls have no job now? Their careers and lives are going downhill at the lighting speed and you blame them for not wanting to attend some ceremony which is just the echo of what they once had? There's no TATU anymore. At least now. May be girls will keep singing, may be they'll do it together (they both seem to want it) and may be even with Ivan (wich I doubt now). But now it's not happening. Now they have no clue of what their lives will look like in some months.
There in the airport, lena wasn't blaming Yulia for not going. She was blaming herself for being so weak and kind-hearted. She said she was doing this good thing for ppl who ruined her life. And that she'd better be as stubborn as Yulia for her own sake.
Talking about Lena, Yulia was in fact pitying her not laughing or something. She was saying that it wasn't fair to mock at artists that way. Her point was that Lena wasn't the type who would argue. But she didn't mean it as a bad thing. She said it was just the way Lena was. Some could even find that this thing was what Yulia actually liked in Lena.

Ok. I'm off to type a report on todays episode.

Edit: yeah... and one more thing. U can defend Lena or can defend Yulia (hey, being in Singapore Lena said hi to everyone... even her dog... and she absolutely forgot about Yulia) but the tuth is that noone of them needs to be defended. They are 2 adults now. Each of them has her own life. If you think they don't care about each other at all, u are wrong. They do... they remeber all good times they had together and they want to keep singing together. But at the same moment they are not as close as you'd like them to be. It's life. They are partners, friends but nothing more.

Unplugged

22-02-2004, 23:13

going there in such mood they both had, arrive there tired as hell and act like everything was ok while it wasn't.

That's called being professional. Sure, they may not be tATu anymore, but the award was directed at both of them and voted by their fans. So, for me, Lena did the right thing.

Ok. I'm off to type a report on todays episode.

Thanks for all your reports, sunny poison! :rose:

xena225

22-02-2004, 23:23

Thank you for elaborating on that point, sunny poison. Very much appreciated! :rose:

xena225

Rob

22-02-2004, 23:51

sunny poison, Thanks for your reports!
The time and work you spend is highly appreciated! :)

nasnedagoniat

23-02-2004, 00:05

Thank you sunny poison. We would truly be in the dark without you. Love ya lots.

Kate

23-02-2004, 00:14

Rob, I would like to turn your attention to the fact that we all came to this forum initially because we wanted to support Tatu, discuss their music, news etc. Some of us have changed their views about Tatu because we got tired/annoyed with the constant scandals, lack of new music, or Tatu's ignorance of us.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. That's the bottom line. :D

Rob

23-02-2004, 00:16

Originally posted by katbeidar
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. That's the bottom line. :D
katbeidar,

You took the words right out of my mouth. Thanks. :)

ElectraCute

23-02-2004, 00:21

First of all:
Million thanks to Hare for the mp3 :rose:
– the more I listen to it the more I like it. It’s so often like this when I hear a new tatu song. First 10 seconds I think: “what the hell … “ Now I love it (The same thing happened with Nichya and NVNB)
And million thank to Sunny Poison for the report – very interesting - and thanks for the extra info.
We’d be lost without you. :rose:

Second:
About Yulia being rude towards fans.
Well – here is what Malaysian paper New Straits Times wrote about Lena:
http://www.emedia.com.my/Current_News/NST/Wednesday/Features/20040218080453/Article/indexb_html

While most celebrities, from Siti Nurhaliza to Sugababes, made plenty of stops on their way in to pose for the cameras and talk to the Press, Lena of the Russian duo t.A.T.u gave love a bad name by marching nonchalantly on the red carpet and ignoring requests for autographs.

Oh… these other stars love their fans so much - really? :rolleyes:
Of course it’s not for me to say if Sugarbabes don’t really care for their fans – but they sure know a good photo opportunity when they see one.

Yes, Lena could have had some very nice picture taken – maybe she should have done that – it sure would have satisfied the press and some fans.

It's just that it is very difficult to make moral judgement from actions like this – when we don’t know for certain what is behind it (intent, mood, feeling etc.)

Kate

23-02-2004, 00:27

Rob, finally, we agree on something. :done:

Rob

23-02-2004, 00:35

Originally posted by katbeidar
Rob, finally, we agree on something. :done:
Shocking but true. ;)

la aurora

23-02-2004, 00:39

oh, u are welcome! no need to thank me tho. i'm sure any of you would do it if could see the show. But seems i'm the only one here *sigh*

so... here's the update for ya:

Well, it's not any surprising that todays episode was devoted to Yulia's bday. This girl is 19 now. So...

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Today

Seems she was celebrating it today. The show began with Yulia standing in the bathroom in her panties and t-shirt and trying to make something with her hair. Her dad was running around fixing all kinds of things. The subtitle said Yulia celebrated her bday with her family and close friends. She wasn't even invited to Podnebesnaya.
It seems Mr.Volkov is the one who constantly reminds Yulia what a bastard Ivan is. He pretended like he was Ivan using hypnosis 'Sleep... sleep... we don't need money... but I'll get them all myself... I'll buy myself a new car...' he said it would be ok if Ivan let the girls earn those money. But he was acting like a kid who's stolen the candy and ran away. Yulia's dad also said that Ivan crossed the line. That even world famous producers couldn't treat their stars the way Ivan did. That he felt free to call any of girls 'dupe' or to make them wait for him for hours... while any other producer, even the genious one, would be immediately fired for that.
Yulia said the last drop was Ivan saying they shouldn't care about fans. That if they think about what fans want, they won't achieve anything. And Yulia couldn't understand who they were working for then. So she said: 'when he said that, I understood there was nothing to talk about with this guy. I just stood up and went away. it was useless to argue with him'.
Then ivan's present arrived. Can u believe what it was? LoL It was a portrait of his beautiful self in a massive border. Yulia didn't even know how to react... if she was to laugh or to cry. Mr. Volkov suggested to hide it somewhere but Yulia said the border was beautiful... like it was a n icon... so Mansky suggested to remove Ivan's pic and put there someone's else. He had his reason to suggest it. So after some thinking Yulia's dad began to work on it.

******************
Yulia's 18th bday time. Some stuff from their US visit shown where Yulia seems to have lots of fun on tv shows and her bf Pasha is also around.

Ivan driving the car: I don't want to choose the present for her actually. She doesn't need anything. Except some sign of normal human love. I'll better buy some border and give her my photo. She doesn't need diamonds or something... and computer is something her parents can give her. The thing she needs the most now is me. And any other present just won't work.
Some pendant with my photo? Well... she has not only lena, but boyfriend as well. And pendant is something u wear on u. I don't want to upset the guy.
She never invited me to her bdays... one bday we spent shooting the video... another... well... I just came to congratulate her...
It's very difficult to give presents... why? Well... I ask you... why? May be coz I don't love her much enough?
Mansky: May be...
Ivan: But how can one not loving the person do as much as I did for her? This bday has a bad background. You know, she has these problems with her voice... it's phsycological problem that leads to the physical one. And we can do nothing about it. The only thing we can do is to stop the project.
Mansky: Can you change the girl?
Ivan: Change the girl? How can I change her? Or you mean replace with another one? How? The whole project is based on their personalities... so what for? Money? Thanks, I have enough.
Oh... I have the idea. I'll find the photo she doesn't have and put it there. Yeah...
*Ivan sits at his office working on Yulia's photo carefully. This action takes place after he spent lots of time in the shop trying to find the right border... paying attention to material, colors... all*
***************

Today again

Finally Yulia's dad manages to put the background panel off. He gives Yulia her picture he found there. The girl looks touched and puzzled at the same time. She tries to camouflage her strong emotion but kinda fails to do it. She says the border looks cool... like it was made for an icon... but wonders why he took her image at all and why he placed it behind his. then she supposes it was to show she's behind him. that she should follow him or something.
Mr.Volkov says they better shouldn't open the border and now Yulia is going to be worried but Yulia interrupts him saying something like: 'I always worried about him. He became someone really important for us in these 3 years. He was different then. And I need to thank him for what he did... HE made us to be who we are now. He gave us that USA success. And it's a pity that this all happens now'
Yulia's dad: But is wasn't only HIM. lots of other ppl were around and THEY made this project successful... Kiper, Lyonya, Galoyan...
Yulia: But all ideas were HIS. Yeah... Kiper wrote that line... Galoyan wrote the music... but HE did everything. He chose the songs, made all those actions... This BOOM was created by him...

Yulia's dad shows the huge pack of letters Yulia got for her bday. Mansky asks if all those fans knew their adress. Mr.Volkov says 'yes' and shows letter Yulia got from prison with 'TATU FOREVER' written on the envelope. Dad's eyes shine with pride for his daughter. he also shows 2 huge teddy bears fan gave Yulia for her bday and opens the door to show some fans standing there. Mansky talks to those fans. 4 girls and one shy guy somewhere behind. Those girls talk a lot about TATU and that without Y&L there won't be TATU. 2 girls even kiss. When asked about how they found the adress, they said it was in Internet and then show Mansky the wall where adresses and phone numbers of Yulia, Lena and Smash guys are written. mansky asks who they love more, yulia or Lena, fans say they love both. just they don't know lena's new adress as she moved. They also show photos they taken with Yulia and Lena and say that Yulia is very nice to her fans. That she always find time to chat to them... and when there are few of them around... like 4-5... she even goes for a walk with them. When Pasha arrives with a huge boucket they greet him like an old friend and he smiles and says 'hello' back. He leaves the flowers to Yulia's dad and leaves. Mansky keeps talking to fans and girls say they are quitting smoking now as Yulia said she quit. Which brings smile to Mr. Volkov's face and he says: 'see? she' not such a bad influence as that deputee said'

At this time Yulia is sitting in some studio getting ready for the program she was invited to. Once she arrives, the host gives her flowers and toy dog... he also congratulates her with spring, saying when the girl wich such a spring smile is around, it's spring even at the 20th of Feb. They talk a bit. He asks Yulia if the rumors are true and that both girls try to work solo from now... Yulia says 'not. We are a duo. Lena and me. Then the surprise arrive. 2 huuuge bouckets of flowers with Sergey and Vlad from Smash behind them. Yulia looks happy, hugs them her eyes shining... they congratulate her... blah... blah... blah... Host asks if it's true if Yulia and Sergey are relatives. Sergey says yulia is his step sister. Yulia looks at him her smile never fading and asks if they don't look alike. Host says they are like twins but he thought of them more like of a wife and husband. Everyone laughs and Yulia says they are this and that... Sergey congratulates her once again and wishes her love. Yulia is like 'hey! but i want it with YOU'. So everyone is having a good time there.

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Ivan didn't call Yulia that day.

Lots of fans came to Podnebesnaya to sing songs and congratulate Yulia.

The administration of Pekin hotel asked Ivan to leave the studio before 1st march, so the show as it is came to it finish line mansky writes.

Amen.

simon

23-02-2004, 00:46

Thanks for your reports, sunny poison!

I'd not been following the discussion here as it happened, so I'd like to make a few observations now.

Yulia is rude and arrogant - but I don't think that her not going to Singapore is a particularly good example of that. Generally, being polite costs very little. In this case, being polite and going to collect an award would cost 40 hours of torture. If I had been in their situation, I would have been very reluctant to go. Lena's decision to go reminds me of what I was like when I was her age and a bit older - someone who felt a strong sense of duty to do what was right, regardless of personal inconvenience. Sometimes you do have to do what's right regardless, but sometimes it's not worth it. I'm not sure the fleeting pleasure for your fans is worth putting yourself through such an ordeal.

I think a much better example of Yulia's personality flaw is the story from The Face article about Eurovision when they went into the centre of Riga in the afternoon before the contest and someone Ivan had brought along stepped on Yulia's foot. She stormed off and when Ivan followed her back to the hotel she screamed at him for five minutes. Meanwhile, Lena stayed out signing autographs. I think that's a much better example of Yulia behaving badly (and unprofessionally) and Lena behaving well (and professionally). There are many examples of Yulia ignoring her responsibilities, while Lena is dutiful. For once, I think Yulia may be the one who got the balance right.

As someone pointed out, when they were rude to journalists, fans didn't mind. But if fans think Yulia is being rude to them, they get really angry. Well, that's how the journalists felt. That's why they got such a bad press. Journalists are only human, just like fans.

EDIT:

sunny poison posted her report as I was writing my post. Thanks again!:rose:

A very interesting episode, IMO. A fascinating insight into Yulia's relationships with Ivan, her dad, some fans and Sergei. It's interesting to get Yulia's take on the creative process in Tatu. And to hear he dad's opinions about Ivan (the whole Yulia/Ivan/Mr Volkov thing sounds very oedipal). And what did Yulia say to Sergei about her feelings?! Is this confirmation of the rumours about that? It's like one of those 'behind the scenes' fanfics - except without the obligatory lesbian scenes.:D

Kate

23-02-2004, 00:48

It sounds so wierdly romantic between Ivan and Yulia... Lol... :gigi:

Thanks for the report, sunny. :rose:

cirrus

23-02-2004, 00:50

thanks sunny poison, even if you're the only one who *can* give us the updates... :rose:

Yulia said the last drop was Ivan saying they shouldn't care about fans. That if they think about what fans want, they won't achieve anything. And Yulia couldn't understand who they were working for then.
Well that makes Yulia sound better... i feel kinda bad about criticising her, since i don't know her and i don't know the whole story.

Then ivan's present arrived. Can u believe what it was? LoL It was a portrait of his beautiful self in a massive border.
:rolleyes: :laugh: Okay, it's official.... this man is an IDIOT!

taty994945

23-02-2004, 00:52

Thanks for the news SP. :rose:

Then ivan's present arrived. Can u believe what it was? LoL It was a portrait of his beautiful self in a massive border.

WTF?! :laugh:

Lux

23-02-2004, 00:52

thanks again, sunny poison

aww, what a happy time. :p were the teddybears bigger than her? :gigi: sergey is yuila's stepbrother? :spy: where was lena?...well THAT clears up the going solo thing. where was lena during her birthday bash?

she has not only lena, but boyfriend as well
well that's nice, she had a boyfriend even during her 18th, despite all those happy pictures of her and lena. interesting. :none:

EDIT: I don't want to choose the present for her actually. She doesn't need anything. Except some sign of normal human love. I'll better buy some border and give her my photo. She doesn't need diamonds or something... and computer is something her parents can give her. The thing she needs the most now is me. And any other present just won't work.
Some pendant with my photo? Well... she has not only lena, but boyfriend as well. And pendant is something u wear on u. I don't want to upset the guy.
She never invited me to her bdays... one bday we spent shooting the video... another... well... I just came to congratulate her...
It's very difficult to give presents... why? Well... I ask you... why? May be coz I don't love her much enough?
Mansky: May be...
Ivan: But how can one not loving the person do as much as I did for her? This bday has a bad background. You know, she has these problems with her voice... it's phsycological problem that leads to the physical one. And we can do nothing about it. The only thing we can do is to stop the project.
Mansky: Can you change the girl?
Ivan: Change the girl? How can I change her? Or you mean replace with another one? How? The whole project is based on their personalities... so what for? Money? Thanks, I have enough.

kate - yeah i see what you're saying. it's a weird relationship, like ivan is trying to measure up to yulia, but can't seem to do it. he thinks he should give her love and yet he feels that would upset her boyfriend. how ironic!! haha. giving her a pendant is perhaps too personal, and thus it would upset whoever her bf was at the time...strange indeed. perhaps that's what yulia's personality is, ppl around her feel the need to measure up to her standards through love, lack of love, etc. she *does* have such a strong personality.
so her voice problems were psychological in nature? like she wasn't confident enough? hm. the whole project based on their personalities, sounds true to me. although, personality has none/litte/some/a fair amount/alot to do with orientation.

ElectraCute

23-02-2004, 01:20

Thanks Sunny Poison :rose:

This was the last episode? - oh no.

simon

23-02-2004, 01:20

Originally posted by katbeidar
It sounds so wierdly romantic between Ivan and Yulia... Lol... :gigi:

I always thought their relationship seemed rather romantic. The way she looked at him. Why did Ivan have such a spell over Yulia? It seemed like love. The way they talk about each other here is like two people who love(d) each other, but now drive each other crazy.

la aurora

23-02-2004, 01:20

well... ,simon, i think Yulia is just a typical russian. So u can blame all russians for being rude and arrogant. Lena just a type that has this sense of duty... u are right here. But I spent here in Russia all my life and I got used to it already. it's just the russian way of living. We have this level of sincerity... I don't say it's good or bad. It's just the way it is. Russians are different from americans for example. If something is wrong, russian will let u know it is and won't just smile. And russian will say f*ck off if he feels to... no matter if he talks to his friend or boss. I got used to it and for me it's better. At least u know what person really thinks or feels. Tho it can look ugly at times, have to agree with you here.

katbeidar, yeah... it looked kinda.... ah... whatever! :gigi:

Lux, Lena was nowhere to be seen. It was Yulia's episode... At Saturaday it was more about Lena... now Yulia... they don't spend so much time together recently...

Lux

23-02-2004, 01:25

simon - on the contrary it's yulia who's cast a "spell" on ivan. the dynamic between them is shifted towards yulia having more elevation, and ivan fretting about what to get her, how to love her, how to make her happier..

sunny poison - ah, ok. this was the last episode. so much for a season finale although it was barely a season, or a show. :none:

la aurora

23-02-2004, 01:25

hm... btw, have u noticed guys that the time Ivan made this present(bought and arranged everything) and the time Yulia actually got it aren't the same? one year difference actually...
and another idea just hit me... Yulia said Ivan gave her the present and told to open at home. She opened it at her bday party... today.... so... she saw Ivan today then? I don't think she'd wait a week befor opening it... :dknow:

Kate

23-02-2004, 01:27

sunny poison, u can blame all russians for being rude and arrogant

Hehehe... that's part of why we left Russia. :p

Anywho, rude is rude, no matter what part of the world you live in. There is no reason why you can't be polite if you live in Russia. :heh: It all depends on the crawd you hang out with etc.

la aurora

23-02-2004, 01:30

Lux, I'm not sure if it was the last one. Ivan has a week before being kicked of Podnebesnaya... so... who knows... besides, Podnebesnaya wasn't the place most of footage was taken... so... we'll se...

simon

23-02-2004, 01:33

Originally posted by Lux
simon - on the contrary it's yulia who's cast a "spell" on ivan. the dynamic between them is shifted towards yulia having more elevation, and ivan fretting about what to get her, how to love her, how to make her happier..

Yes, I suppose it's that Yulia has fallen out of love with Ivan and he's trying to win her back...

la aurora

23-02-2004, 01:34

Originally posted by katbeidar
sunny poison,

Hehehe... that's part of why we left Russia. :p

Anywho, rude is rude, no matter what part of the world you live in. There is no reason why you can't be polite if you live in Russia. :heh: It all depends on the crawd you hang out with etc.

well... sure one can be polite... and I didn't mean ALL russians are rude. just even polite ones can allow themselves not to hide what they feel or think... it's in mentality i think :gigi:

coolasfcuk

23-02-2004, 02:12

Wow, I hope people have calmed down now ... let me not say names or give warnings, but if you guys start attacking eachother again, or getting so off topic in this thread again -its coming :none:

on a happier note: Thanks sunny poison for all the great reports! :rose:

well, the show has proven to be a fanatics paradise... nothing more! Last attempts to get some footage from the girls....

always interesting to read about Yulia's and Ivans chemistry :gigi:

thegurgi

23-02-2004, 04:13

i've decided to not believe anything anymore.

I'm just going to wait till March 14th and see what happens then.

denial

23-02-2004, 04:52

yep !! 14th March!!! time will come and tell this all!

Finally Yulia's dad manages to put the background panel off. He gives Yulia her picture he found there. The girl looks touched and puzzled at the same time. She tries to camouflage her strong emotion but kinda fails to do it. She says the border looks cool... like it was made for an icon... but wonders why he took her image at all and why he placed it behind his. then she supposes it was to show she's behind him. that she should follow him or something.
...hmmm....interesting what Ivan really mean by this ... why hide Yulia behind him in the pretty frame? why bother to put Yulia's picture at all ? ... why make himself look stupid .. :(

Mr.Volkov says they better shouldn't open the border and now Yulia is going to be worried but Yulia interrupts him saying something like: 'I always worried about him. He became someone really important for us in these 3 years. He was different then. And I need to thank him for what he did... HE made us to be who we are now. He gave us that USA success. And it's a pity that this all happens now'
Yulia's dad: But is wasn't only HIM. lots of other ppl were around and THEY made this project successful... Kiper, Lyonya, Galoyan...
Yulia: But all ideas were HIS. Yeah... Kiper wrote that line... Galoyan wrote the music... but HE did everything. He chose the songs, made all those actions... This BOOM was created by him...
Glad to hear that Yulia still sticked to her opinion no matter how people around him called Ivan's idiot or stealing money or things ..and it just few days ago on her birthday.

*could imagine how people around the girls are telling girls .. from left right top bottom to leave Ivan so to make more money* ..wonder who are wanting to detroy TATU actually... *of pondering by herself*

About the song Belochka
I wonder if the meaning of zachikom in english (bunny) give the same expression like it meant in russian. I meant the "bunny" make me think of "bugs bunny" and it does looks funny .. but really bunny is an animal ..just like a squirrel .. "little and cute... and scared"...

Who ever wrote the lyric .. if you read this .. I think its nice .. for you :rose: ..the sentence really sound nice with the melody .. and I "too" .. love the ..a..a.. part .. :)

thegurgi

23-02-2004, 05:07

when i hear bunny i think of Thumper from Bambi

:: patiently awaits the explanation from the author ::

denial

23-02-2004, 05:24

I heard the lyric is from looong time ago... Ivan already selected it .. and ..its strange .. that the lyric seems to fit in now .. and who compose the music/melody ..? ..remind me of '30 minutes' with piano and violin/cello sound plays behind... but i think its from keyboard... and in mode of musical box..

==speculation fun corner begin==

okay wait .. what if the lyric was written by Ivan himself .. and he register here and tell about it... and we saw he has computer!! .. :eek: .. *taps fingers on table*... trap! trap! trap! trap! <-- this the sound.

Added:
hmm.. funny that my same translator gave different translation to the lyric....

And if to us to escape
And to not be designated
Blanks to not press
Last will not hide
Are smeared by paints
Stupid распросами
Растанемся with masks
And we become adults.
But it is difficult to be the boy, if you the girl,
It is difficult to be the girl, if you the boy
А.. And I can shall белочкой
А.. And you can will зайчиком

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Sights of condemnation
And misunderstanding
Our crimes-
This punishment

We with ourselves shall not consult
And not there we shall undress,
But we will not be corrected!
But we shall not change!

It is difficult to be the boy, if you the girl
It is difficult to be the girl, if you the boy
I shall be белочкой, you will be зайчик

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Kate's translation..thank you :rose:

If we run away
And not be marked
Not push blanks
The last one won't hide
Washed away paints
With silly questions
Part with masks
We become adults.
But it's hard to be a boy if you are a girl,
And it's hard to be a girl if you are a boy
Oh... maybe I'll be a squirrle
Oh... maybe you'll be a bunny

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Originally posted by coolasfcuk
:laugh: nah.. thanks to Ilya I will geive you the 'secret' recepie to the HIT 'Squirrel' :lol:

It'll be hard to be a girl if you're a boy,
It'll be hard to be a boy if you're a girl.
I will be a bunny, you will be squirrel....

:lol: :lol: and that's a FACT ;)

Shaps writes such good lyrics! ha ha ha

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....hehehehe.. I am so obsessed with that song .. LoL ..

*off to shower and plan to watch Gothica today... umm.. need to get all these things out of head ... and try to live normal life..:rolleyes:* ..

P/S:
Cools.. I don't mean anything bad okay .. just collecting info. For you :rose: ..love it very much everytime you laugh.. *hugs**hugs**hugs*
Had to remove one of your "LoL" because I want to laugh too .. :laugh:

Lux

23-02-2004, 06:28

We with ourselves shall not consult
And not there we shall undress,
But we will not be corrected!
But we shall not change!
some of the lyrics, as this ^ are conveniently reflective of what's going on in their career.

But it's hard to be a boy if you are a girl,
And it's hard to be a girl if you are a boy
Oh... maybe I'll be a squirrle
Oh... maybe you'll be a bunny
alright. who is having the identity crisis? ivan? yulia? lena? mansky? :none:

as for the song itself, i like the melody sorta but not the fact that katya is singing. her voice is ok but it doesn't match with lena's. how can they do this? who the hell is she anyway? it's JUST not the same, i "like" it at best. tatu is ending waaa i can't believe i'm seeing it for the first time. *goes off to sedate self*

:lol: :none:
:rolleyes:

denial

23-02-2004, 06:33

Lux, ... Katya ? ... I thought its Lena ??? I dont think its Katya .. is it? no .. I think its Lena .. its Lena voice ..

haku

23-02-2004, 07:23

Thanks a lot for the report sunny poison :rose:

I fell asleep before you posted it... LOL :rolleyes: :lalala:

Edited to add:

I agree that the relationship between Ivan and Yulia is... odd, to put it mildly. She constantly refers to him as a "genius" (which Lena never does) but is also extremely harsh with him at other times. The gift thing is just disturbing.
There is too much passion between them, it goes from love to hate in an instant. :hmmm:

And about the fact that flying for 20 hours is an ordeal, well, it is (even though it's less painful when you're travelling in business class as they do) but it's part of the job description of an international pop star.
If they are no longer willing to deal with that kind of things, it would probably be better for them to recenter what's left of their career on Russia only, which is the way it's taking anyway.

dollparts3000

23-02-2004, 10:25

That's so wierd! I wonder who it is! I thought its was Lena at first but now that I listen to it, who knows. Is it Lena or Katya?

Actually, I just listened to a bunch of Katya's songs and I don't think that she could sound like Lena but I may be wrong. It is probably Lena. Her voice sounds fantastic!

Ruivelle

23-02-2004, 12:00

WHOA WHOA WHOA PPL !! I kinda mad :mad: reading everyone is dissing Yulia now just because she said she wouldn't come to Singapore because the flight is too long ...

I as one of her fans that go to Singapore from Indonesia ,but didn't quite dissapointed :dknow: ... there are not so many t.A.T.u. fans on s'pore ( i only met 3 of them who are Singaporeans and all of them are Lena's fans :D ) and i think t.A.T.u. is not that popular there , not like in Japan
( I ask almost every single airport personnel on s'pore and none of them knew t.A.T.u. and about their arrival ... )

so , lemme ask , why does idols come and receive awards , for their fans ? yes , but what the main reason ?? because they need to promote their songs , album , etc to their fans ...

and Yulia do have a main reason to not coming , her presence in t.A.t.u. is at stakes now with all the 'breaking off contract' thingie with Ivan , etc ... only come with 20h flight just to receive the award , with no further reason like promoting their album ... wasting time on my opinion ...

and her feeling pity for Lena , i think maybe she already convinced Lena not to come but Lena still insist just for her fans ( :rose: for Lena )
just like everyone says , Lena is the kind and accomodating persona , and she can't resist not to come , but Yulia is Yulia , she got this Volk attitude which don't give a damn about anything , which is , i really adore

how bout seeing the bright side , they won an award , Lena come to receive it , i got her autograph which is already make me VERY happy as their fan , Yulia don't come , no big deal :dknow:

she only didn't come for the MAA , not every single awards that they got , why already make a conclusion that she is ignoring her fans , huh ?? :mad: :mad: